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Mafia IV story idea

2020.11.29 17:57 RichterTheRatman Mafia IV story idea

Note: The particularly important details and music artist names are in bold text. Licensed music track names are in italics.
The year is 1973, five years after the events of the Mafia III, and 22 years since Vito Scaletta’s seen or heard from his old friend Joe Barbaro. The canon ending of Mafia III with this Mafia IV story is Vito taking over the city after Lincoln skipped town, however Cassandra and Burke are left alive and loyal to both Vito and Lincoln still. Burke was able to survive his liver cancer by getting a black market liver transplant in Mexico, like he did in his ending, except with Vito running the city. On Vito and Lincoln’s behalf, Burke and Cassandra agree to stay behind in New Bordeaux and keep the city locked down, incase Leo Galante and the Commission try anything.
The beginning cutscene is Vito answering his telephone after getting up in the morning in his new penthouse, on the top floor of the New Bordeaux casino he finished that was once Sal Marcano's, and grabbing a cup of coffee. It's Alma with some urgent news. Lincoln Clay came down to the cigar warehouse to visit her after 5 years of silence, and he has big news.
Joe is alive in Empire Bay and has been this entire time. However, as punishment for his actions, he's become Leo Galante's personal driver against his will and is forbidden from contacting Vito ever again, or else him and Vito will be killed. Alma then tells Vito to meet Lincoln at the airport to discuss more, as he's already awaiting Vito's arrival, and has an ally named John Donovan hiding in the outskirts of Empire Bay ready to help Vito and Lincoln with their new mission
Vito gets dressed in his classic Mafia II leather jacket outfit, ready to rain down hell on the Vinci crime family and their allies, and finally be reunited with his lifelong friend he previously thought was dead, Joe Barbaro.
Here is my idea for the kill list, all related to the Commission in Empire Bay and their allies.
I'm thinking Vito and Joe work with Lincoln Clay and John Donovan to split up Empire Bay and distribute territory to three other factions not unlike what Lincoln did with New Bordeaux. This time though, this is a much larger city in a much, much different part of the United States. I imagine the empire building mechanics would be a lot smoother, more robust, and streamlined compared to Mafia III as well. Maybe they could even work like a more modernized version of how the game Scarface: The World Is Yours handled it's empire building and management mechanics. Here are my ideas for those factions, all close allies of the up and coming Scaletta Crime Family.
The Cuban gang, led by Alma Diaz. Vito goes way back with Alma, and she does not hesitate to answer him and Lincoln's calls to save Joe's life and royally fuck both Leo Galante and the Vinci family.
Conti Crime Family, led by Enzo Conti. This family formed sometime in 1968 after Lincoln helped Enzo flee New Bordeaux and drop off of Sal Marcano's radar. It turns out he fled to Empire Bay and finally formed his own family, having more than enough years of experience in the underworld to handle the job. Lincoln's tight with him and manages to recruit him to Vito and Joe's cause.
The Yakuza, based out of Empire Bay's Japantown. Longtime sworn enemies of the Empire Bay Triads, with bad blood going back decades. They would greatly enjoy seeing Mr. Chu and his son's heads mounted on pikes, along with whacking everyone who's ever supported their organization. You don't know them well, and they're known to be very unpredictable and ruthless. Use these traits to your advantage when taking on the Commission of Empire Bay and their friends.
However, unlike Mafia III, after all of these tasks are completed and every single assassination target on Vito’s kill list is taken care of, the game does not end. In fact, it's not even close to being over yet. Vito's 1973 section was just the beginning act. Two years following Vito’s rampage that led to him taking over Empire Bay and the Commission, in the year 1975 him and Joe now rule Empire Bay, with Vito as the Don of the Scaletta Crime Family, and Joe working as his loyal underboss. You play the rest of the game as a young up and coming soldato named Louis in his 20’s, who’s a rising star in Vito’s organization. Do right by Mr. Scaletta and Mr. Barbaro, understand kid?
My basic idea for the character and his backstory is that he's a young Italian-Canadian mobster from Toronto, Ontario, or whatever Mafia's equivalent of it could be called. As a placeholder name, let's call him Louis DeAngelo. (No Relation to Tommy Angelo) He was born in July 1952 in Toronto, and was raised in Toronto's Little Italy. Louis fled south to Empire Bay when the feds started cracking down on his old family and put his boss in prison, and he ended up finding a new home with the Scaletta Crime Family. The first few missions playing as Louis DeAngelo involve shooting your away out of an arrest by a SWAT team in Toronto in December 1974, seeing the rest of the members of your old crime family either get arrested or shot in front of you as you make your escape, fleeing Ontario through Quebec and upstate New York, before finally arriving in Empire Bay in early 1975.
The story eventually transitions into the 1980's as years pass, with the scenery and music changing accordingly, and historical events of the time discussed in the game. By the time the game ends, it's 1992, and significant historical events from the past few years at the time that are covered on the radio in-game include anything from the fall of the Berlin wall, the Gulf War, the collapse of the Soviet Union, and the 1992 L.A. riots. The rise of the internet and computer technology is briefly touched upon, but not greatly delved into given their relative infancy in that time period. During this entire 1975-1992 stretch of the story, Vito is no longer playable, and Don Scaletta takes a backseat in the story as a main supporting character, similar to Don Salieri throughout Mafia: Definitive Edition. You now play as Vito's Italian-Canadian soldato Louis DeAngelo, who is later promoted to being a capo in 1985. However, unlike Don Salieri, Don Scaletta has much more integrity, and has more genuine loyalty for his men and his associates. If you've beaten Mafia 1 or Mafia: Definitive Edition, you'll know this is something Salieri lacked in the end.
The game will include a number of hit music from the 70’s that played on the radio back then, such as Bobby Womack’s Across 110th Street and Tony Christie’s (Is This the Way to) Amarillo, The Grateful Dead's Casey Jones and at least a few songs by the then new American rock band Cheap Trick, as well as popular songs from the 1960’s people still listened to at the time, such as Sam the Sham and the PharaohsWooly Bully, King Crimson’s 21st Century Schizoid Man, Zager and Evans' In the Year 2525, The Zombies' Time of the Season, and Nancy Sinatra’s These Boots Are Made for Walkin'. When you progress through the game, especially after you switch to playing as Louis DeAngelo for the rest of the story, years change, and the music changes. Different songs start playing on the radio, such as Randy Crawford's Street Life in the 1979-mid 1980's portion of the game. After you've completed the 1975 section of the game, Foghat's Slow Ride starts playing on the radio. Starting in the 1977 section of the game, Cheap Trick's I Want You to Want Me and Heart's Barracuda start playing on the radio. In the 1980's portion of the game, Thomas Dolby's songs Hyperactive! and She Blinded Me with Science, in addition to Night Ranger's Sister Christian also start playing on the radio. If Hangar 13 can afford the licenses, I also think a few Michael Jackson and Madonna songs should definitely be on the radio during the 1980's portion of the story, given the immense popularity and regular radio airtime those two had in that decade. If this ended up being possible, I imagine that Michael Jackson's Smooth Criminal, Beat It, Bad, and Billie Jean being on the radio in the 80's sections would be a must. Madonna's Lucky Star, Burning Up, Like a Virgin, and Borderline would also be perfect for the 80's portion of the game to me. Also mentioned by NPCs and civilians in the game are topical events of the time period, such as the release of the groundbreaking 1973 horror film The Exorcist at the end of Vito's playable portion of the game.
Other music of the 1980's segment of the game when playing as Louis DeAngelo for the remainder of the game includes hits of the era such as Joe Jackson's Steppin' Out, The Buggles' Video Killed The Radio Star, Corey Hart's Sunglasses at Night, Laura Branigan's Self Control, Men at Work's Down Under, Kim Wilde's Kids in America and her cover of You Keep Me Hangin' On, Rockwell's Somebody's Watching Me, Nena's 99 Red Balloons, Earth, Wind, and Fire's Let's Groove and September, Billy Idol's Eyes Without a Face, Wham!'s Everything She Wants, George Michael's Careless Whisper, Toto's Hold the Line and Africa, Blondie's Heart of Glass and Atomic, and Mai Tai's History.
I previously posted this on the old Mafia3 subreddit 3 years ago in 2017 as an idea for a hypothetical Mafia 3 expansion where you play as Vito, but have since updated and revamped it to a possible Mafia IV plot, and fixed any plot holes I noticed and made it much more fleshed out and in depth, and focus on more than just Vito in the end. You may view my original here if you so desire, to compare. https://www.reddit.com/Mafia3/comments/6sldhp/spoiler_mafia_iii_vito_dlc_basic_plot_idea/
Feel free to give me constructive criticism on this, as I encourage this discourse, to build upon or improve these ideas, or say whether or not you think something like this should happen in the future.
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2020.11.24 06:31 Senbazuru40x25 About to apply for my postsecondary (college/university) studies: what place, if any, can I learn about philosophy within a Christian framework in the GTA?

Hello, I’m in my last year of high school, and I live in Ontario. After having done a course in Philosophy that was a big boost to my faith: the aim of the course, within the rules of the curriculum, was a way to explain the philosophical ideas that are found in Christianity and the ideas of Augustine and Aquinas by only using moral reasoning (the Uncaused Cause, Just War doctrine, etc.), and I was very surprised at how much of Christianity can be found in Creation itself without seriously using a single Bible verse! It’s a good tool when talking to non-Christians, honestly. I must thank my Philosophy teacher in this regard, I feel like I have a real intellectual backbone to my belief in Christ and the Church now.
Now that I have done this course, I feel like I wish to share this knowledge to those around me, and I want to become a teacher so that I may teach what I know so that other people can feel like they have “faith and reason” together. I’m actually pretty happy that I know I have a plan to it. So, in my postsecondary studies, I wish to learn more about this philosophy I am beginning to know.
The trouble, however, comes with applying. I asked my Philosophy teacher, he recommended Our Lady Seat of Wisdom College in Barry’s Bay and Dominican University College in Ottawa as two very good schools to study this. (He doesn’t trust secular universities/colleges to provide this kind of program with quality and I am honestly inclined to believe him.)
As much as I am interested in these two schools, I also wish to stay close to my family, and my mother recommends universities that are an hour or two away at most, such as the University of Guelph, the University of Toronto, and McMaster University.
So, if I can ask you, my siblings in Christ, in the Greater Toronto Area and the surrounding areas, are there any alternatives where I may truly learn the Faith and its philosophy, without being possibly led astray during my education?
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2020.11.23 23:10 Bosphoramus I prompted it with some Tweets from Trump. This is what came out. I swear to God this is 100% unedited.

Nancy Pilsner has been removed from the market. Beer tastes like…beer!
12:00 AM · Nov 23, 2020·Twitter for Android

The Democrats are imploding because they lost their grip on reality. They are totally divided – no leadership. We must unite as a country! — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 23, 2020
12:01 AM · Nov 23, 2020·Twitter for Android

I will be giving a speech on the current attacks against our country from the radical left. MAGA!
1:04 AM · Nov 23, 2020

The attack against our great country by the radical left will not be accepted or tolerated. We will protect our freedoms and the safety of our citizens! -DJT — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 23, 2020
1:01 AM · Nov 23, 2020

Wow! Our great COUNTRY has been ridiculed and scorned by the entire world. New York City was viciously attacked by the enemy within. At least we now know who our enemy is and know where he lives! -DJT
2:14 AM · Nov 23, 2020

The radical left Democrats in the California government fully recognize that a high percentage of criminals are pouring across our southern border and into cities like Los Angeles, but they don't want us to stop it. They want to keep it open, and they want to disarm law-abiding Americans and make us defenseless so we can't fight back. That is why when I take the oath of office next year, I will restore law and order to America. — David E.B. Smith, via Twitter for iPhone
2:16 AM · Nov 23, 2020

It is pathetic that the radical left Democrats want to make a deal with a known criminal like Antifa- but it is equally pathetic that the Fake News Media primarily put the name of my great resort up in lights to distract from the fact that I am about to take back this country for the people! — David E.B. Smith, via Twitter for iPhone
2:17 AM · Nov 23, 2020

It is the year 2025. It has been five years since the beginning of the Second American Civil War.

The man in charge of the United States, David E.B. Smith, was supposed to be a temporary leader. In the beginning, he wanted to step down after a few months. The only problem is that nobody else wanted the job.

The United States broke into several different parts. The most important factions are the Confederate States of America, the Republic of Texas, the People's Democracy of California, and the new American Federal State.

The new American Federal State is the largest of the factions, having taken most of the old states. It contains about 60% of America's population and controls the Eastern Seaboard down to Miami. It also controls the Midwest as far west as Kansas City and as far north as Madison. It contains Washington D.C. and has stretched up to take in the Virginia suburbs of Washington D.C. David E.B. Smith rules this new nation with an iron fist and a Stalinesque propaganda machine. He claims that America will become great again. His new government has suspended most rights, surveillance is everywhere, and political criminals are executed.

The Confederate States of America is notable for being the only country in the world to have slavery again. It has only 5% of the population, but controls a lot of oil and gasoline reserves that keep them going. Their leader is Roger Edwards, a former oilman who declared himself president. He has been friendly with David E.B. Smith, but there is a lot of hostility between the two nations.

The People's Democratic Republic of California was once the richest state in the nation, but now it is bankrupt. It also has a great deal of hatred towards the American Federal State and the Confederacy. David E.B. Smith has declared it to be the greatest threat to the New United States and has repeatedly called on the other two governments to wipe it out. The Central Valley, where most of the farms are located, is under the control of the American Federal State. The rest of the state is a devastated no man's land, with most towns under the control of warlords. The capital, Sacramento, is located in ruins 70 miles north of its former location, next to a town once known as Chico. The warlords are divided into two distinct factions: The North California Ecological Liberation Front and the Popular Front of North California.

These two factions are allied with each other against the outside threat, but are in a constant state of low-intensity warfare with each other. They are both run by Marxists of some variety or another, with the North California faction being more left-wing than the Popular Front. Both groups have a strong environmentalist ideology and want to restore California to its "natural" state. The North Californians are mainly Native Americans, with some Latinos, African-Americans, and White liberals. They have a hunter-gatherer ideology and want to destroy all evidence of industrialization. The Popular Front are mainly white, and have drawn inspiration from both Mao and Soviet Russia. They see industrialized farming as necessary to feed the people and are willing to adapt to the modern world to some degree.

The Republic of Texas is run by a military junta that calls itself the "Continental Ministry". It has a policy of aggressive militarism, and hopes to take over the Southwestern United States when David E.B. Smith dies and the Eastern Seaboard falls into anarchy. It is ruled by a mixture of people of Hispanic, Native American, and White descent. The population of Texas is mainly Latino now, with the African-Americans and Whites mostly living in the east of the state.

The Shadow Government is an alliance of several secret conspiratorial groups. Its exact nature is unknown, but it is believed to be a combination of large corporations, criminal organizations, and the old remnants of the American Federal Government. Its members are only known by cryptic codenames. It is run from a secret headquarters in Cheyenne Mountain, Colorado, the former site of the North American Air Defense Command. It controls the National Guard of the American Federal State, at least some of the military, and a large part of the intelligence community. It has connections to several powerful politicians in the American Federal State. It is a single, loosely organized entity with one goal: keep America from becoming anything more than a puppet state for the powerful corporations that run it.

The North American Trade Organization is made up of several of the larger, more powerful megacorporations. It was formed for mutual benefit: the corporations could use their political power to get the government to pass laws in their favor and the government could use its military to protect the corporations from any foreign invasions or internal threats. The N.A.T.O. controls the American Federal State to a large degree, being largely responsible for writing its laws. It is based in Washington D.C.

The Republic of New England is located in the former states of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island and Connecticut. It is a theocracy run by a military order of Protestant Christians. It has strong ties to the "Restored United Church" located in Toronto, Canada. Its leader, known as the "Vicar-General", is elected by the heads of the church. It controls the smallest amount of territory of any nation or state, but makes up for it with its powerful military.

The Southwestern Co-operative is made up of several Native American Nations in the south-western United States. It was formed out of a need for mutual defense against the Republic of New England. It is made up of the Pima, the Tohono O'Odham, the Hopi, the Zuni, the Acoma, and the Quechan.

The only independent Native American state is the Iroquois Confederacy, which consists of six Iroquois tribes. It has managed to remain independent through a policy of diplomacy and neutrality. It was one of the few Native American groups to accept refugees during the Great Internment.

Of course, there are many smaller factions and groups in North America, from religious communities to private islands owned by rich people. None of these are as powerful or influential as the major factions.

North America is just one theater in a world at war. The Middle East is aflame with war, as both the Islamic Caliphate and the Egyptian Empire have declared Jihad on each other. The European Union and Russia have been fighting each other for years, their conflict characterized by its grinding stalemate. China is charging into the fray, hoping to take advantage of the exhausted combatants.

These are just a few of the factions involved in this worldwide conflict. Of course, all of these factions have their own motivations, agendas, and reasons for fighting. It has been said that the two greatest lessons of the twenty first century were that you can never trust a Jew and that God no longer cares for man. These lessons have been learned well.


Jesus loves you.
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2020.11.22 01:01 simpleman-elect Dr. Carl McIntire, A Day of Triumph (1955)

Sermon by Dr. Carl McIntire Preached in Jarvis Street Baptist Church, Toronto, Thursday, April 7, 1955, at funeral of Dr. T. T. Shields
"And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation." Rev. 5:9
This is a day of victory; this is a day of triumph; this is a day of singing in Glory, and also in the depths of the heart of the redeemed. We have been saved. And one who has spent his years preaching the gospel of grace has entered into his reward. We are a people of faith. "Our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ." And it is in that glorious emphasis that I bring the message of this occasion.
It is Jesus Christ of Whom we speak this afternoon, and all honour and glory, as tribute is made to the memory of Dr. Shields, is laid at the feet of the Lamb that was slain. It is in this place that there has been servant of the King, who has determined to know nothing among you save Jesus Christ and Him crucified. I know that there are some people who are happy that Dr. Shields is gone. This man who lifted his voice in the defence of grace cried out against the pope. In our generation the greatest single champion of our evangelical doctrines and faith stood in this pulpit and challenged the authority and the superstitions of Rome. And he did it in the Name of Jesus Christ. Then there are those whom he challenged that entered into the Protestant churches, and counted the blood of the Covenant an unholy thing. And it was in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Head and King of the church, that from this pulpit the exposures went forth, and God's people were called to obedience and separation and to faith.
This text of ours presents to us the redeemed in Glory singing. They have the resurrection victory. "Some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? Thou fool ... God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.... So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: it is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body." So is the resurrection of the dead.
I recall in November, 1949, Dr. Shields and 1, together with a company that were on journey to Bangkok, Siam, visited Greece. It was the Doctor's emphasis that we get some cars together and go over to Corinth, where not too many of the visitors go. And we went to ancient Corinth. Here were the ruins that had been dug up. We walked over to the judgment seat in old Corinth, and Dr. Shields stood there and surveyed the picture before us. Then he turned to me, as he has turned so many times on these journeys, and said, "McIntire, let me give you a text." And he came forth with these words from that glorious resurrection chapter: " . . . forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord."
I remember again on that same journey when we visited Egypt, and we went out to see the great Pyramids, the tombs of the kings of four thousand years ago. The question was raised about going up into the great Pyramid, and seeing the burial room of the king, and of the queen. The Doctor had just a few months before fallen and broken his wrists, but without one word of any kind he said, "Let us go." That indominatable spirit that was about him triumphed over the flesh. So we made our way up that narrow passage, almost crawling as we went into the king's chamber of death. We stood there in the darkness, and very little was said. We made our way back down that long narrow passage, and as soon as we came out into the bright sunlight of Egypt the Doctor turned and said, "McIntire, let me give you a text: 'He hath brought life and immortality to life through the gospel.'" You cannot travel with a man that is always giving you texts like that without something happening to your soul, and rejoicing in spirit, and giving you the victory of faith. It is that you have in this text: "they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy. . . ." "Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing." And beloved, that was in the preaching and in the life of this dear saint of God.
There is, in the second place, in this text, an emphasis upon the blood. "For thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood." I will give you another incident. Dr. Shields in 1948 went to Amsterdam when the little company gathered to form the International Council of Christian Churches, this fellowship which today has fifty-four Bible believing denominations in it. As we went to that little English Reformed Church in The Netherlands we were a company of outcasts, separatists, men who had in our particular lands and in our particular churches put the blood of Christ above every other consideration. When the time came to draft that great statement of faith which would be the common denominator upon which we would build this fellowship of churches, Dr. T. T. Shields became the chairman of the committee to draft it. Then that tedious careful work was begun which lasted throughout the conference, in phrasing and shaping each particular point so that there could be no question in any language into which it might be translated as to what we believe the Bible teaches concerning Jesus Christ and our historic Christian faith. I remember so clearly when there was discussion concerning this particular passage dealing with the salvation which we have in Christ, Dr. Shields said, "Brethren, we must put the blood in this statement. "
You think of his ministry here, and you people know that, but I see his leadership, and I see the ministry that he has had throughout the whole earth, and every section of the world where men have recognized in him a Moses, an Elijah, a champion of our day and age in the Old Testament tradition who defended the faith alone.
I brought with me the doctrinal statement which was phrased at that time under Dr. Shields' careful and discerning guidance. May I read it to you:
"Among other equally Biblical truths we believe and maintain the following:
(a) The plenary Divine inspiration of the Scriptures in the original languages, their consequent inerrancy and infallibility, and, as the Word of God, the supreme and final authority in faith and life.
(b) The Triune God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
(c) The essential, absolute, eternal Deity, and the real and proper, but sinless, humanity of our Lord Jesus Christ.
(d) His birth of the virgin Mary.
(e) His substitutionary, expiatory death, in that He gave His life a ransom for many.
(f) His resurrection from among the dead in the same body in which He was crucified, and the second coming of this same Jesus in power and great glory.
(g) The total depravity of man through the fall.
(h) Salvation-the effect of regeneration by the Spirit and the Word, not of works, but by grace through faith.
(i) The everlasting bliss of the saved, and the everlasting suffering of the lost.
j) The real spiritual unity in Christ of all redeemed by His precious blood.
(k) The necessity of maintaining, according to the Word of God, the purity of the church in doctrine and life."
This summary of evangelical truth I believe is one of the greatest that the Christian church has produced. Furthermore, it has become the basis, not only of the International Council's testimony, but Regional Councils, and National Councils, in Japan, India, South America, the far East, the Canadian Evangelical Protestant Council, the American Council of Christian churches. These regional groups around the world, when they are formed, turn to this and say, "This will be the basis upon which we will seek to unite our brethren in lifting up a united standard in this day for the faith, and against the apostasy which is destroying the church and the land."
In many ways Dr. Shields looked upon me as his son. I am sure he had many sons, especially among all these preachers he has trained. But he did not train me in the Seminary here. My training came in that intimate close fellowship, and I can hear him say, "McIntire, let me give you a text: 'Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of -his friend.' " I must confess that my countenance has been greatly sharpened by my fellowship with him. And the discernment and the understanding of the great issues of the day born out of his own experience of conflict and of fellowship were poured into my own soul that I too might profit by it, that we might do what we could in helping also to preserve the faith once delivered unto the saints. My, how we loved him! It seemed that the more the world hated him the more we loved him. "0 righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me." It was Jesus Christ we believe, and therefore we speak. "We have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us." "To me to live is Christ." And it was Jesus Christ, sitting at the right hand of the Throne of God. Beloved, there has stood in this pulpit the great preacher of grace. I can hear him now in that text from Hebrews: "And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sin for ever, sat down." And usually Dr. Shields did sit down. I saw him do it in Australia, I saw him do it in Indonesia. Everywhere he went it was grace"By grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast."
May I say, and I think I can say it, he loved this church. On my many journeys with him, to South America, around the world, in Europe, no matter where we were on Saturday we had to find a Western Union office in order to despatch a cable to Jarvis Street. I remember one night in the city of Rome we could not find one, and we walked the streets until the wee hours of the morning before we finally were able to get a place in Rome where we could send a message back to Jarvis Street. Several times I said, "Doctor, don't you think we had better go back? Don't you think it is too much to walk these streets alone as we are doing?" "No, we must send a message back to Jarvis Street." He loved you, and he loved you because his heart's desire was that Jesus Christ might be formed in you. Such a leader, and such a preacher, is an inspiration, and an inspiration that is felt throughout the whole Christian world. I will never forget the day when we walked into the city of Bandoeng, and we went right out to Pastor Pouw's home. We went into the Pastor's home, an aged man, and he took us into his study, and there on the third shelf of his bookcase-I can say it today-were bound volumes of The Gospel Witness for some twenty odd years-out in Bandoeng, Indonesia! Pastor Pouw opened The Gospel Witness, he looked at it, and he said, "Doctor, I read it every week, and I treasure it so. Nothing has entered into my ministry like your paper has." I gathered them together, and we went out into the yard and took a picture of Dr. Shields in Bandoeng, Java, with his Gospel Witness, that had been going out there for all these years. And as we went to the Philippines, as we went to India, the ministry and the fruit of Dr. Shield's preaching, and his testimony, had prepared the way, as no other leader had prepared it, for the gathering together of the Bible believing remnant, and the establishing of an International Council of Christian Churches. Some of the leaders of the Ecumenical movement on the World Council of Churches side had had their dreams and their visions, but they lived to see a shadow fall over their dreams and visions. Dr. T. T. Shields, thank God, lived to see the day when the little remnant here, and the little remnant there. were brought together, and a testimony was brought into existence which God has been able to use throughout the earth in helping to preserve the faith. And he rejoiced in it. I can never tell you this afternoon what it has meant to the International Council of Christian Churches to have him in a place of leadership, and how I personally have looked to him and found that when he was by our side there was an assurance and a stability and a security and a comfort that only Dr. Shields could give to a young soldier without too much experience.
One of the last things that I know touched Dr. Shields was a letter that he received from Dr. John Mott. People may say what they will, but when Dr. John R. Mott, the man who was the great leader and dreamer of the ecumenical movement and the World Council of Churches, which has engulfed the world and taken our great churches, received The Gospel Witness at his home in Florida week after week, as John R. Mott neared the days of passing, he turned to Dr. Shield's sermons. I was here with you on that occasion when Dr. Shields preached that magnificent message on "The King of Glory Shall Come In." It was published in The Gospel Witness, it went to the hand of John R. Mott, and after reading it John R. Mott replied by a letter to Dr. Shields. I shall read it:
"Dear Dr. Shields:
Your vitally important paper, THE GOSPEL WITNESS AND PROTESTANT ADVOCATE, reaches me regularly, and commands my sympathetic attention. The last number, notably the one containing your sermon on 'The King of Glory Shall Come In' has moved me more profoundly than any of the many vital numbers. With all my heart I thank you, and thank God for this highly important and deeply moving message. Never was your faithful witness more needed near and far than in the period through which we are now passing.
With kindest regards,
Yours sincerely."
They tell us that when we go without the camp we will have no ministry, or no influence upon those who stay on the inside, but here, without the camp and within the veil, Dr. Shields delivered a message that went to the heart of the great leader that established the ecumenical movement itself. I remember the day when, at the airport here, he took the letter out of his pocket, and he showed it to me, and said, "McIntire what do you think about that?" I said, "Doctor, the Spirit of God is honnouring your faithful ministry to Jesus Christ." "And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation." It is in that heavenly choir at this time that Dr. Shields is singing, "These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb ... .. This is the victory that overcometh the world." This is the victory that makes preachers, and enables them to plead with men to turn from their sins ere they die, and find the gift of life in Jesus Christ.
I will continue this sermon the next time I see Dr. Shields!
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2020.11.09 16:41 dvd5671 [OC] The Full Butterfly Effect of the Carmelo Anthony - Nuggets/Knicks/Timberwolves Trade

One day a couple of months ago, I was on Instagram and saw a picture that showed the full effects of the Kyrie Irving to the Celtics trade. I was really fascinated by it and tried to find others like it, but was unsuccessful. So, I made one myself. I decided to go ahead and try the Carmelo Anthony Nuggets to Knicks trade. I chose this specific trade because it had an absurd 19 people involved in it and almost all of them ended up getting traded as well. So it made for a lot of future spirals into NBA history. So, after about a week of research, I present to you The Full Butterfly Effect of the Carmelo Anthony Nuggets/Knicks/Timberwolves Trade:

The Official Trade:
On February 22, 2011, a 3-way deal between the New York Knicks, Denver Nuggets, and Minnesota Timberwolves occurred that sent superstar Carmelo Anthony to NYC. This is the official breakdown of that initial trade:

(*) = Eventually Traded Away
New York Knicks Denver Nuggets Minnesota Timberwolves
Carmelo Anthony* Timofey Mozgov* 2015 2nd Rounder (Richaun Holmes)*
Chauncey Billups Danilo Gallinari* Eddy Curry
Renaldo Balkman Wilson Chandler* Anthony Randolph
Corey Brewer Raymond Felton*
Shelden Williams Kosta Koufos*
Anthony Carter 2012 2nd Rounder (Quincy Miller)
2016 1st Rounder (Jakob Poeltl)* 2013 2nd Rounder (Romero Osby)*
2014 1st Rounder (Dario Saric)*
2016 1st Rounder (Jamal Murray)
On the Knicks' perspective, Billups, Brewer, and Balkman were each eventually waived. Williams left after the season, and Melo and the pick that led to Jakob were eventually traded off. From the Nuggets' side, everything in that trade package was traded away except the picks for Miller and thankfully Murray. And for Minnesota, nothing they received last with them after that season. This trade ended up resulting in 10 further trades. I then looked at the results from THOSE trades, and the trades that resulted from THOSE trades, and so on. This single trade in 2011 led to 168 future trades, involving 470 different players/draft picks. Some of them led to small trades (Eric Paschall to the Warriors for a future pick and cash), and some led to blockbusters (AD to LA, ironically Kyrie to Boston, K-Love to Cleveland). But here's all of it:

The Full Trade Results:

(Players in bold represent players still currently on the said team and are listed alphabetically (Teams are listed by the order of the original trade, and then alphabetically after that)
NEW YORK KNICKS DENVER NUGGETS MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES ATLANTA HAWKS BOSTON CELTICS BROOKLYN NETS CHARLOTTE HORNETS CHICAGO BULLS CLEVELAND CAVALIERS DALLAS MAVERICKS DETROIT PISTONS GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS HOUSTON ROCKETS INDIANA PACERS LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS LOS ANGELES LAKERS MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES MIAMI HEAT MILWAUKEE BUCKS NEW ORLEANS PELICANS OKLAHOMA CITY THUNDER ORLANDO MAGIC PHILADELPHIA 76ERS PHOENIX SUNS PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS SACRAMENTO KINGS SAN ANTONIO SPURS TORONTO RAPTORS UTAH JAZZ WASHINGTON WIZARDS
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Enes Kanter Jordan McRae Jaylen Nowell Jamal Crawford 2020 1st Rounder (Bucks) Rondae Hollis-Jefferson Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot Marquese Chriss Tyson Chandler Thon Maker Ty Lawson Lou Williams Thomas Bryant Justice Winslow Nickeil Alexander-Walker Sofoklis Schortsanitis Timofey Mozgov Jason Richardson Richaun Holmes Robin Lopez Harrison Barnes Shelvin Mack
Ignas Brazdeikis Kieta Bates-Diop Jerryd Bayless John Salmons Xavier Thames Tony Allen Matthew Dellavedova Zach Randolph 2021 2nd Rounder (Lakers) 2024 2nd Rounder (Warriors) Marcus Morris Justin Holiday Omri Casspi Taj Gibson Wesley Iwundu JaVale McGee Troy Daniels Rodney Hood Harry Giles Tony Bradley
Issuf Sanon Kostas Papanikolaou Josh Okogie Justin Anderson 2020 1st Rounder (76ers) Wayne Selden Renaldas Seibutis 2020 2nd Rounder (Warriors) 2023 2nd Rounder (Warriors) 2025 1st Rounder (Thunder) Mathias Lessort Kosta Koufos Stanley Johnson 2020 2nd Rounder (Nuggets) Jonah Bolden Ty Jerome Terrel Harris Jeremy Tyler Tyrone Wallace
Johnny O’Bryant Mo Williams Juan Hernangomez Kay Felder 2020 2nd Rounder (Nuggets) Willie Reed Sergiy Gladyr Mfiondu Kabengele Miles Plumlee Tony Carr 2021 1st Rounder (Rockets) Josh Richardson Tyler Johnson Zach Collins Joe Johnson 2024 2nd Rounder (Cavaliers)
Kurt Thomas Monte Morris Kevin Garnett Kirk Hinrich 2021 2nd Rounder (Pacers) Sir’Dominic Pointer Michael Beasley Rade Zagorac 2020 2nd Rounder (Bucks) 2022 1st Rounder (Clippers) Justin Patton Wayne Ellington Justin James
Maurice Harkless Nick Johnson Malik Beasley Lou Williams Timofey Mozgov Montrezl Harrell 2020 2nd Rounder (Suns) 2020 2nd Rounder (Wizards) 2023 1st Rounder (Clippers) Marquis Teague Kyle Guy
Mitchell Robinson Pablo Prigioni Omari Spellman Lucas Nogueira 2021 1st Rounder (Bucks) Patrick Beverly 2021 2nd Rounder (Suns) 2021 1st Rounder (Lakers) 2023 1st Rounder (Heat) Matisse Thybulle Langston Galloway
Ognjen Jaramaz Petr Cornelie Tanguy Ngombo Nene 2022 2nd Rounder (Spurs) Paul George 2022 2nd Rounder (Pistons) 2021 2nd Rounder (Cavaliers) 2024 1st Rounder (Clippers) Mike Scott Luka Mitrovic
Quincy Acy Quincy Miller Tyus Jones Richard Jefferson 2022 2nd Rounder (Wizards) Vladimir Veremeenko 2023 2nd Rounder (Rockets) 2023 1st Rounder (Lakers) 2024 1st Rounder (Rockets) Ronny Turiaf Rudy Gay
Renaldo Balkman Rudy Fernandez 2020 1st Rounder (Nets) Thabo Sefolosha 2022 2nd Rounder (Rockets) Wilson Chandler 2024 1st Rounder (Warriors) 2024 1st Rounder (Lakers) 2024 2nd Rounder (Grizzlies) Sasha Kaun Scotty Hopson
Samuel Dalembert Steve Novak 2022 2nd Rounder (Nuggets) 2022 1st Rounder (Thunder) 2021 1st Rounder (Knicks) 2025 1st Rounder (Clippers) Shake Milton Tyreke Evans
Shane Larkin Thomas Robinson 2023 2nd Rounder (Pelicans) 2023 1st Rounder (Thunder) 2025 1st Rounder (Rockets) Tiago Splitter Vanja Marinkovic
Shelden Williams Thomas Welsh 2024 2nd Rounder (Warriors) 2023 2nd Rounder (Pistons) 2026 1st Rounder (Clippers) Tibor Pleiss Wayne Ellington
Thanasis Antetokounmpo Victor Claver 2026 2nd Rounder (Warriors) 2026 1st Rounder (Rockets) Tobias Harris 2020 2nd Rounder (Pistons)
2020 1st Rounder (Clippers) Vlatko Cancar Travis Outlaw 2020 2nd Rounder (Rockets)
2020 2nd Rounder (Hornets) Will Barton Trevor Booker 2021 2nd Rounder (Grizzlies)
2021 1st Rounder (Clippers) 2020 1st Rounder (Rockets) 2020 1st Rounder (Thunder)
2021 2nd Rounder (Hornets) 2022 2nd Rounder (76ers) 2020 2nd Rounder (Hawks)
2021 2nd Rounder (Pistons) 2020 2nd Rounder (Lakers)
2021 2nd Rounder (Knicks)
2023 2nd Rounder (Hawks)
2024 2nd Rounder (Heat)
I think the craziest part about this trade is that it occurred a little bit under a decade ago, but is still going on and most likely will be for a long time. There's a trade included here going all the way to 2026. Let me know what you observed from this and who you thought won this trade or even if you want me to do more of these.
Here's the document I wrote with the details of each trade: Document
Source: Basketball Reference
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2020.10.25 02:01 AndyJPuente One realistic Montrezl Harrell sign-and-trade we can make with the 29 other NBA teams:

This is assuming that Montrezl Harrell agrees to each of these trades and is okay with signing a $42,000,000/3 year back-loaded deal. With the teams that have the cap space to sign him out-right, this also assumes he would care enough to make sure we got anything in return for him.

Atlanta Hawks [Likelihood: ★★★★☆]

Proof: https://tradenba.com/trades/2zwKl5lf1
LAC ATL
Dewayne Dedmon Montrezl Harrell
2022 1st RD Pick [OKC]
[Note: This pretty much allows the Hawks to offload Dedmon's contract onto us in exchange for future draft compensation.]

Boston Celtics [Likelihood: ★★★☆☆]

Proof: https://tradenba.com/trades/iesP0Kbcu
LAC BOS
Daniel Theis Montrezl Harrell
Enes Kanter
Javonte Green
[Note: With the report that the Celtics grew frustrated with Daniel Theis' play in the series against the Miami Heat and the fact that he just came off a knee surgery, could mean Theis could be had for cheap. He is also an expiring contract.]

Brooklyn Nets [Likelihood: ★★★★☆]

Proof: https://tradenba.com/trades/SlzMQfB-T
LAC BKN
Taurean Prince Montrezl Harrell
[Note: This is assuming the Nets have a deal in place to ship out two or more of Allen, Dinwiddie and LeVert and are looking for a backup center to replace Allen.]

Charlotte Hornets [Likelihood: TBD]

Proof: https://tradenba.com/trades/5hvea99FL
LAC CHA
Terry Rozier Montrezl Harrell
[Note: With the 3rd overall pick in the 2020 draft and the Wolves likely to take LaMelo Ball with the 1st overall pick, the Hornets will be able to either draft James Wiseman or Anthony Edwards. Who they choose will greatly influence their interest in a sign-and-trade for Harrell.]

Chicago Bulls [Likelihood: ★★★☆☆]

Proof: https://tradenba.com/trades/AWWU4p2s9
LAC CHI
Tomas Satoransky Montrezl Harrell
[Note: Budding young PG Coby White came off the bench for most of the season and played alongside Satoransky, Dunn, Arcidiacono, etc. who all spent time at PG. Although, this trade would give them a pretty loaded frontcourt. Not accounting for Felicio who doesn't get any playing time, they would still have to give playing time to Wendell Carter Jr., Lauri Markkanen, Thaddeus Young, and Daniel Gafford.]

Cleveland Cavaliers [Likelihood: N/A]

NONE.
[Note: I could not find a single realistic sign-and-trade between us and the Cleveland Cavaliers.]

Dallas Mavericks [Likelihood: ★★☆☆☆]

Proof: https://tradenba.com/trades/7EIs9Gxmg
LAC DAL
Dwight Powell Montrezl Harrell
Boban Marjanovic
[Note: With Powell suffering a season-ending injury so late into last season (January 21, 2020) and no updates on his recovery, the Mavericks may be interested in acquiring a durable center like Harrell who's only games missed last season were the first 8 bubble games due to the death of his grandmother. It allows them to replace the injured Powell and have some insurance for the often injured Porzingis. This trade would slightly constrict the Mavericks' ability to go after Giannis next offseason.]

Denver Nuggets [Likelihood: ★☆☆☆☆]

Proof: https://tradenba.com/trades/u3FbfimyU
LAC DEN
Jerami Grant Montrezl Harrell
[Note: This one is super unlikely for multiple reasons. First and foremost, Grant would not only have to tell the Nuggets that he's not interested in re-signing, but he would have to go to the front office and say he will leave for nothing unless he is specifically signed-and-traded to the Los Angeles Clippers. Not only that, but Harrell would have to agree to being traded to Denver in this deal. Just all around a difficult deal to orchestrate, but the only even slightly possible deal we can strike with Denver.]

Detroit Pistons [Likelihood: ★★★☆☆]

Proof: https://tradenba.com/trades/tX0rLKxID
LAC DET
Christian Wood Montrezl Harrell
[Note: Another dual sign-and-trade, but this time around the talent level is more equal and the requests a bit more realistic. Both the Clippers and the Pistons would have to overpay for these big men, but it could be worth it for both parties. Wood could help us compete and Harrell matches the bad-boy vibe the Pistons seem to thrive on. It also allows them to use their draft pick on a guard to be mentored by Rose and have a more complete team overall. This one still hinges on Harrell accepting this trade which, as long as it involves him getting partially overpayed, he may be okay with.]

Golden State Warriors [Likelihood: N/A]

NONE.
[Note: I could not find a single realistic sign-and-trade between us and the Golden State Warriors.]

Houston Rockets [Likelihood: ★★★☆☆]

Proof: https://tradenba.com/trades/6EkfUrCyu
LAC HOU
Eric Gordon Montrezl Harrell
[Note: In this trade Harrell could sign a front-loaded deal starting at $16.5M and descending from there to match with Eric Gordon's contract which would be to Houston's benefit as the value for guys like Harrell steadily decline as their athleticism dwindles. This sign-and-trade destination may actually excite Harrell seeing as Houston is built to play small and because he's played with the franchise in the past. Houston wouldn't have to completely ditch their small-ball tactics either, just slightly rework it. Although Gordon's contract wouldn't be ideal for us, his ability to score 14-16ppg while being to stretch the floor and somewhat handle the ball would be useful to us.]

Indiana Pacers [Likelihood: ★☆☆☆☆]

Proof: https://tradenba.com/trades/feMx9JaeS
LAC IND
Myles Turner Montrezl Harrell
[Note: We are not going to be the only team in the running for Myles Turner this offseason and an offer of only Harrell will not compete with the offers that other teams like the Celtics will have. I also don't think Harrell will be too excited to play behind Sabonis either who would greatly impact his stats.]

Los Angeles Lakers [Likelihood: ★★★☆☆]

Proof: https://tradenba.com/trades/yo9fP4GqX
LAC LAL
Danny Green Montrezl Harrell
Kyle Kuzma
[Note: Both teams get rid of their guys who stunk it up in the playoffs. We get another shooter and Kuzma who can at times play PF for us. The Lakers get Harrell who could replace Howard who may leave and McGee who is almost certain to leave this offseason. Harrell being represented by Rich Paul may actually help him swing this deal.]

Memphis Grizzlies [Likelihood: ★★☆☆☆]

Proof: https://tradenba.com/trades/iJ44Ecz\_A
LAC MEM
Jonas Valanciunas Montrezl Harrell
[Note: Now here's something rather interesting... While talent wise Valanciunas is leagues above Harrell the Grizzlies may be interested in trading him for a bench center. Why? Because Jackson Jr. has been playing great at center for them and two of their other young players (Jontay Porter and Brandon Clarke) play the PF position. If among those three the PF minutes were split up 24 BC, 14 JJJ, and 10 JP... The center minutes could be 21 JJJ, 27 for MH. While the fit makes sense the Grizzlies could certainly get better offers for Valanciunas. Although this one isn't completely out of the realm of possibility.]

Miami Heat [Likelihood: N/A]

NONE.
[Note: I could not find a single realistic sign-and-trade between us and the Miami Heat. Given the fact that in any sign-and-trade Harrell would need to sign for at least 3 years, I don't see that being appealing to Miami whatsoever especially since they plan to pursue Giannis in next offseason and need all the cap space available.]

Milwaukee Bucks [Likelihood: ★★★★☆]

Proof: https://tradenba.com/trades/UdL1JLAaY
LAC MIL
Robin Lopez Montrezl Harrell
Ersan Illyasova
[Note: Yeah, Harrell's value is seriously this low. I honestly don't even think we can snag Bledsoe after his own poor performance in the series against the Miami Heat. If the Bucks choose not to go after Chris Paul or Victor Oladipo and decide instead to slightly rework the roster this would be an interesting move for them to make. Harrell would probably be on board for the sign-and-trade since this team is a championship contender and the Bucks would likely accept because it'd give them an effective inside presence to allow shooters to spread the floor whenever Giannis is on the bench which was a huge issue for them in the Miami series. While it's not a lot, we do get some size in return for Harrell and two expiring contracts. Ersan was also a very capable floor spreader in his time with Philadelphia.]

Minnesota Timberwolves [Likelihood: ★★★☆☆]

Proof: https://tradenba.com/trades/BTXVf14U2
LAC MIN
Malik Beasley Montrezl Harrell
[Note: It's all about fit with this trade. The Timberwolves are expected to use their #1 overall draft pick to select LaMelo Ball. That would mean their guards would be LaMelo Ball, D'Angelo Russell, Josh Okogie, Jarrett Culver, Jacob Evans, and Jordan McLaughlin among others. That's without factoring in Malik Beasley who would need 24-28 minutes per game. They could run out Beasley with LaMelo and Russell, but that defense would be atrocious. They could use Harrell to run as a backup for Towns and at times could possibly play alongside him given Towns' ability to stretch the floor. They could use their remaining cap space to sign a defensive forward rather than using it to re-sign Beasley or let him walk away for nothing. This once again hinges on Harrell agreeing to play in Minnesota which is the polar opposite of LA.]

New Orleans Pelicans [Likelihood: N/A]

NONE.
[Note: I could not find a single realistic sign-and-trade between us and the New Orleans Pelicans. With Zion Williamson and Jaxson Hayes on the roster and their development being at the forefront of New Orleans' to-do list there's no way they would want Harrell's conflicting play style to hinder that in any way.]

New York Knicks [Likelihood: ★★★★☆]

Proof: https://tradenba.com/trades/S3juIUSem
LAC NYK
Elfrid Payton Montrezl Harrell
Taj Gibson
[Note: I don't want to think the Knicks are dumb enough to put all their stocks into a 26 year old undersized center when they have a 22 year old 7'1" shot-blocking center on their roster. However, they do seem to be interested in competing this season in the East with Thibs as their new coach. Their expressed interest in Chris Paul also tells me that they don't really have a lot of interest in signing any big name free agents in 2021 so they might be interested in taking Harrell as a win-now piece to play behind Mitchell Robinson. Harrell might actually like this as it'll be a low pressure environment, with a coach who likes to run his guys a lot of minutes, and he'll be in the fashion capital of the United States which helps his UnderDawg business. This trade would give us two expiring deals who play both positions we desperately need help at and would allow the Knicks to focus on the development of Dennis Smith Jr. and Frank Ntilkina.]

Oklahoma City Thunder [Likelihood: N/A]

NONE.
[Note: I could not find a single realistic sign-and-trade between us and the Oklahoma City Thunder. I can see no reason for the Thunder wanting anything to do with Harrell. With the firing of Billy Donovan and the likelihood of them moving into a rebuild, I don't see them being eager to trade for Harrell.]

Orlando Magic [Likelihood: N/A]

NONE.
[Note: I could not find a single realistic sign-and-trade between us and the Orlando Magic. The Orlando Magic are currently stacked at the center position, so much so that their young center Mo Bamba has yet to play any significant minutes at all since he's been drafted. On top of Bamba they have former All-Star Nikola Vucevic, really athletic guys like Khem Birch who play center, and guys like Aaron Gordon and Jonathan Issac who, despite being out due to injury, could play center in a small-ball lineup.]

Philadelphia 76ers [Likelihood: N/A]

NONE.
[Note: I could not find a single realistic sign-and-trade between us and the Philadelphia 76ers. The same reason as why the Magic would not/should not do this deal the 76ers have Embiid, Horford, Harris, and Simmons who can play PF/C.]

Phoenix Suns [Likelihood: ★★★★☆]

Proof: https://tradenba.com/trades/nabeY7SLl
LAC PHX
Aron Baynes Montrezl Harrell
[Note: This would be bad for us because it would mean we'd have to way overpay for Baynes. Signing him to at least a $39M/3YR deal at age 33. So he'd be making almost $15M at age 36. The Suns come out like thieves in this, getting younger and full of more energy after coming off an 8-0 record to end the regular season which was achieved without Aron Baynes. It's possible we can get Frank Kaminsky out of this deal as well.]

Portland Trail Blazers [Likelihood: ★★★★☆]

Proof: https://tradenba.com/trades/wQIuTOz2H
LAC POR
Trevor Ariza Montrezl Harrell
[Note: Another trade where we're almost certainly the immediate losers. Ariza allows Leonard and/or George to rest a bit on the defensive end, but he's pretty old and his game is incredibly inconsistent. I would rather have someone like Rodney Hood, but matching contracts would be difficult in that case. Harrell would be great for the Trailblazers off the bench which would allow them to rest Nurkic every so often. That would also let them get rid of Hassan Whiteside.]

Sacramento Kings [Likelihood: ★★★☆☆]

Proof: https://tradenba.com/trades/ydqCf4f\_P
LAC SAC
Nemanja Bjelica Montrezl Harrell
Jabari Parker
[Note: Both expiring deals would be incoming in exchange for Harrell. They are both bigs who could primarily play PF, a position we could be lacking in if we cannot retain Morris and/or JaMychal. This deal would allow the Kings to do a 2-for-1 deal, decreasing the log jam they have in their front court and allowing their main bigs to be Harrell, Holmes, and Bagley. Would Harrell agree to this trade? It allows him to stay in California so it wouldn't surprise me.]

San Antonio Spurs [Likelihood: N/A]

NONE.
[Note: I could not find a single realistic sign-and-trade between us and the San Antonio Spurs. Harrell is like the opposite of what Spurs players are usually like. He's also a bit too old if the Spurs are headed into a rebuild or retooling phase.]

Toronto Raptors [Likelihood: ★★★★☆]

Proof: https://tradenba.com/trades/N8fjS9gcD
LAC TOR
Serge Ibaka Montrezl Harrell
[Note: Ibaka is a key free agent target for most Clippers fans and Harrell has already been linked to the Raptors. If Harrell's interest in the Raptors is true, this could make for the most likely dual sign-and-trades on this list. However, the fit next to Siakam is a bit puzzling. Siakam did shoot nearly 36% from 3 last season, so if he manages to bump that up he could possibly pair up nicely with Harrell. And of course Ibaka is a match made in heaven for us. Giving us someone to throw at Anthony Davis and Jokic if ever we meet in the playoffs.]

Utah Jazz [Likelihood: ★★★☆☆]

Proof: https://tradenba.com/trades/06vJw-N7y
LAC UTA
Joe Ingles Montrezl Harrell
[Note: If there's anything that was evident in Utah's playoff series against the Nuggets is that there are too many people who need the ball to be effective. Mitchell, Clarkson, Conley and Ingles are all but ineffective if not given enough touches. This sign-and-trade allows them to get rid of one of the four and gives them a great backup center to play behind Gobert and in the event Gobert is ineffective like in games against Houston and Golden State. Ingles would be pretty good for us as well. A defensive forward who is a capable playmaker as well averaging 5.2 assists per game last season while playing with 3 ball-dominant guards. Yes, the memes with he and George would be annoying, but it would be great to see the kind of offense we can run with Ingles out there. Would Harrell agree to move to Utah? Not sure. Utah doesn't seem to be the best free agent destination.]

Washington Wizards [Likelihood: ★★★☆☆]

Proof: https://tradenba.com/trades/E9s5xJW9B
LAC WAS
Davis Bertans Montrezl Harrell
[Note: I made a post about this yesterday so you can go read my reasoning there if you so please. The TLDR version is that it gives the Wizards more options this offseason and gives us a great stretch big.]

After reading through those, which do you think is the likeliest to happen? Do you have a more realistic trade we could do with any of these teams?

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2020.10.14 16:09 cheemsandbeans (OC) My Approach To The Wizards Offseason: Team Analysis, My Draft/FA Targets, and Discussing Eventual Championship Aspirations...

~10 minute read, TL;DR at bottom
Several months ago, I uploaded a post here called "My Approach To The Wizards Offseason (a thorough hypothetical) And Why I Think They Are In A Good Position." Now, I decide to waste another workday and upload my 2.0, in which I'll revaluate our roster, run through my current favorite draft targets and free-agent candidates, before ultimately taking a look at our future, and discussing how (if possible) the Wizards could one day be in contention. Keep in mind, this all subjective analysis/projection, so obviously my views won't line up with everybody else's, regardless, I enjoy writing these things, so whatever.
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The Wizards are at a crucial crossroads, and the fanbase has reached a sort of divide. Some say we should develop (insinuating a potential Beal trade/rebuild), while others are dedicated to competing at the highest level (insinuating win-now trades for players like Rudy Gobert)... Meanwhile, I'm a mix of both. I want us to compete at the highest level, yes, but I also want to emphasize playing our young guys for development, even in clutch situations. In my financially possible "plan", I will discuss how we can marry the two ideas and have a decently competitive team for next season and the foreseeable future, all the while developing a plethora of young talent.
The Lakers are NBA champions. The first Covid-crazed NBA season has come to its expected conclusion, and now, we can all look forward to the second Covid season, which is projected to start sometime in January. The Lakers recipe for success? Well, it essentially revolved around the fact that they are the Los Angelos Lakers. They have the luxury of first-class free agency players from which they can pick and choose, often at discounts. Our recipe would have to be more like the Toronto Raptors of last year.
Now, I know the Wizards won't be winning the NBA Finals anytime soon, but I honestly believe that we have as good a foundation as any current non-playoff team (and a number of current playoff teams, to be completely candid) for the years that follow. Heck, we already have a few pieces of the puzzle. Of course, we still have years of work cut out for us, but we can eventually build a consistent NBA contending team around prime Beal and co.
How?
Draft well, and build a competitive culture.
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I actually think the Wizards are in a pretty good position for the coming years. Yes, we struggled this season, mainly on the defensive end, but I think a solid offseason and solid development from our youth can help offset these issues. To be clear, I’m not talking about making drastic moves such as trading for Gobert or Myles Turner (both moves I adamantly oppose), but merely smart decisions in the draft and in free agency. Before making any of the hypothetical moves, however, here is my current (albeit one very positive) outlook on the roster:
Tier 1: Our big three
Beal: The star of the show, a great centerpiece for our rebuild, and the best pure scorer, outside of Kevin Durant, in the entirety of the eastern conference. Beal’s struggles were on the defensive end this season, but I don’t worry about that as much as others. Look at the advanced statistics, Beal’s defensive rating, formerly an average score, has fallen as the rosters team defense plummeted as well. A notable drop in both defensive rating and defensive box plus/minus (DBPM) can be seen from even as recent as 2018 (rating of 110, DBPM of -0.8) to 2020 (rating of 117, DBPM of -2.4). And, while his advanced defensive stats have been steadily on the decline ever since he was drafted in 2012 (rating of 105, DBPM of +0.2), this more significant decline can be mainly attributed to the pronounced reduction of both rebounding and post defense we’ve endured since losing the Polish Hammer, Marcin Gortat, at the end of the 2017-2018 season. Face it, in terms of defense, a Mo Wagner and Thomas Bryant rotation ain't gonna cut it. If we look at the numbers once again, we’ve ranked in the bottom 10 of the league, in terms of rebounds per game, blocks per game, as well as bottom 15 in defensive rating in each season since Gortat left. Now, with a likely emphasis on defensive players this offseason, and as Wall, another scoring option, re-emerges, I expect Beal’s advanced defensive statistics to rebound closer towards average.
Wall: Someone who can hit big shots and still drop 10+ assist, that’s what we get. Recently, several videos show that Wall has improved the mechanics of his jumper (perhaps he can now hit threes at a somewhat respectable level?), that he has slimmed back closer to his athletic prime 2016-2017 form, and that he has retained a good bit of athleticism (while age and injury have certainly robbed him of some burst, I’d say he’s still well within the top 10 of starting point guards, in terms of first-step quickness). I think he’s going to adapt his game to something like Westbrook did. After his injury at the hands of Pat Bev, Westbrook, though he, like Wall, could still dunk over people, moved his game, in terms of shot selection, more towards the three-point line and more towards the mid-range. I hope Wall does something like this, not only because it’s a more modern/efficient playstyle in general, but one significantly less taxing as well. Now, one can only hope that Wall shoots these new shots at a much higher clip from the field than Westbrook, but from what I’ve seen with his jumper, an average/near average percentage is certainly attainable.
Bertans: Imagine a supersized JJ Reddick, that's what Bertans is, as well as the team's current 3rd ‘star’, Bertans can drop 30 any given night if his shot is clicking. I know that classifying him as part of a “big 3” might cause a few head scratches, but he is a great player, and he will only improve. Bertans is the perfect forward for John Wall, as he opens up driving lanes and is an excellent kick-out option. Bertans averaged a strong 16 PPG this season as a dominant 6th man, if we add an elite passer to the equation with John Wall, I honestly think he could be in 6MOY discussions. Re-signing him should be priority no.1 for this offseason.
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Tier 2: Highest ceiling young guys (in order of personal favorite)
Isaac Bonga: I honestly believe Bonga has the highest ceiling of our young core. Think about it, he’s 6’8’’, long/lanky (7’ wingspan), an athletic specimen, has shown excellent defensive potential and could potentially guard 4 spots on the court (if he adds weight), and, not to mention, has greatly polished his offensive game this season, now possessing a decent handle and a decent stroke. He also has some guard like qualities and is only 20 years old. He still has ways to go in terms of overall skill and strength, but I dig his upside.
Troy Brown: I am comfortable aboard the Troy Brown train, although I will admit I was initially very skeptical. Once again, looking by the eye-test we see that Brown is 6'6'', has a point guard-like handle/a very high bbiq, is a good defender, and has a smooth, well-rounded game in general... and he is only 21 years old. Not to mention, his pe40 stats are promising as well with him averaging 15.6 points, 8.6 boards, and 3.4 assists for this season (not including the bubble). I like the idea of having both Bonga and Brown moving forward, as two wings with defensive versatility and good BBIQ are incredibly valuable for any playoff-hopeful team.
Rui Hachimura: I’m probably lower than most in this subreddit on Rui Hachimura, as I’ve seen many posts discussing his potential, where the phrase “possible future Allstar” accompanies his name, and, to be completely honest, I don’t think he has that sort of potential. Put simply, he lacks arguably the two most crucial traits for a forward in this day and age: 3pt shooting and perimeter defense. Still, I like him as a prospect, and I think he can carve out a role as a very high-level starter down the line. I'm thinking someday he could average an efficient 17-ish PPG and a handful of rebounds, though, given his lackluster defense, these are far from Allstar numbers, but they are productive nonetheless.
Thomas Bryant: Both Thomas and Mo (players with similar, redundant skillsets) had pretty inconsistent seasons, all in all, however, after an incredible bubble stint, Thomas Bryant (though he appeared to have regressed during the other portions of the season) has likely acquired much more team/trade value, and now I feel confident saying that he is the clearcut better of the two.
Mo Wagner: During a few games in the regular season, Mo looked promising, but during the bubble his defense was somehow significantly worse than Bryant's, making him borderline unplayable. In an Eastern conference loaded with frontcourt talent, he simply can't be on the floor defensively, lest he's flopping for a charge. Not to mention, Mo's caught in a limbo between the 4 and the 5, as he's too slow to play forward, and, on the flip side, too small to play big. Still, he's young, tall, and can shoot, that alone should keep him in the league, though I doubt he has a similar role anywhere else in the NBA.
JRob: I'd much rather have Jerome then not have Jerome. I mean, he has decent potential, can play some good D, and was a good shooter in college. He seems to be finding his footing here after a disappointing series of seasons in LA. Heck, he even flashed some shot creation skills down in Orlando. In summary, he's not a reliable NBA player at this point, but a young bench piece that could eventually carve out a role as a rotational 3&D.
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Tier 3: Notable role players (brief and in order of favorite)
Ish: Ish is arguably the 3rd best backup point in the East (clearly behind Spenser and Rose), and has elite speed and high-level passing and slashing ability. He has actually taken over and won some games for the Wiz almost single-handedly.
GPII: He plays good defense, is capable offensively, and likely will be very cheap. He can be our Royce O'Neal or Pat Bev moving forward. I see no reason not to keep him.
Garrison: A good shooter, who has shown that he's also a solid defender, Garrison is a good 3&D that we should keep around.
AP: Tall, cheap, and can shoot, as well as arguably the best rim protector on the squad that isn't commander Ian
Napier: He actually plays a lot like Ish. Both of them are solid point guards and have even shown the ability to share ball-handling abilities, so having both on the roster in the future isn't out of the question.
Honorable mention: Jordan McRae (I hope we bring him back)
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As expected, it all starts with the draft, where there are two main needs to address: a 3&D wing/forward and an athletic defensive center. Now, addressing the 3&D spot in the draft makes more sense than any other move because:
  1. This draft class is much deeper with 3&D forwards than it is with centers, as I’m only high on Onyeka as a project, and I doubt he'll fall that far.
  2. The next two free agency classes are both loaded with promising center prospects that have the skillet needed for our team (I will discuss these guys later).
  3. I believe a good 3&D player could coexist with our two main young forwards: Bonga and Brown, as they’ve all shown decent enough handles and positional versatility. If anything, this pick will likely be making Garrison Matthews/Jerome Robinson have a much more reduced role, which I’m fine with.
With that in mind, here are some of the prospects we should consider include (in order of favorite) :
Devin Vassell (Florida State: Sophomore):
6’7’’/200 lbs/wingspan: 6’9’’
Brief assessment: A high-level, though slender wing with elite versatility (ability to guard 1-4 if he gains weight), defense, athleticism, and a good, high stroke. Not to mention, solid upside as a 3-Level Scorer and maybe a fringe Allstar down the line. He scored the ball well off the catch and was one of CBB’s best in terms of off-the-dribble midrange, however, his weight and meh FT% are both causes for concern.
Aaron Nesmith (Vanderbilt: Sophomore)
6’7’’/ 210 lbs/wingspan: 7’
Brief assessment: In a draft absolutely loaded with snipers, Nesmith is amongst the cream of the crop. And though, he isn’t the best athlete, whether it be laterally or vertically, his strong build and elite measurements help him manage well on the defensive end. He is a dangerous scorer off-the-catch with a clean, confident release, so pairing him with Bertans could be lethal.
Isaac Okoro (Auburn: Freshman)
Measurements: 6'6''/230 lbs/ Wingspan: 6'8.5"
Brief Assessment: Perhaps the most versatile defensive player in this draft, Okoro brings NBA ready defense, NBA strength, NBA athleticism, and playmaking potential. While he might need a bit of polish, most notably in regards to his 3pt shot, he would be a solid prospect for the Wiz to bring in.
After drafting, say, Vassell, we move onto free agency looking to address the center spot, and there is no shortage of candidates:
(note, this list excludes guys that are probably going to re-sign/opt-in, like Anthony Davis, Andre Drummond, Jakob Poetl, Javale McGee, etc)
The ‘probably out of our price range’ guys
Christian Wood
In such a weak free-agent class, Wood could potentially be very well compensated this season, however, if we can get him for something near reasonable, I'd go for it. He's the perfect big man, well rounded, young, and, get this, can play decent defense. He is a potential future Allstar and would be an excellent infusion of young talent to this team. He could give us excellent floor spacing, improve our already high-powered offense... now, pair that offense with a passable defense, and we could have something cooking. The downside? He could get up to 20 million from Detroit.
Serve Ibaka
Serge is having a career year, he's hitting threes and swatting shots on the other end at a high rate. He would improve our squad on both ends of the court and is still well within his prime. However, he could earn the biggest contract of his career this offseason, despite the wonky Covid-19 free agency. Serge doesn't have the potential of Wood, but with his experience, I believe him to be the best free-agent big man available.
The ‘somewhat expensive starter’ guys
Derrick Favors
Favors brings consistency, leadership, floor-spacing, and defense. While he doesn't have the ceiling of Wood, he could potentially be a more seamless and immediate fit. He is one of my favorite prospects on this list.
Tristan Thompson
Rebounding, defense, and affordability, he is my favorite prospect for the Wizards, as he fits our needs, is on our timeline, and could be had on a manageable year-long deal with our MLE.
Aron Baynes
Baynes is looking more and more like a high-level center. He is a top tier defender, hardnosed rebounder, excellent pick-setter, and has a soft touch around the rim, and has shown potential shooting it from deep.
Nerlens Noel
He’s an elite shot-blocker, sound rebounder, sturdy pick setter, and a great athlete and shouldn’t be too expensive, and an ideal fit for this squad, what’s not to like (other than his rampant fouling and complete lack of a shot-creating skillset, of course)? If we are unable to acquire Thompson, I'd want Nerlens on a 1-year deal in his place.
The 'I'd be cool with him as a back-up' guys
Harry Giles
The Kings dropped the ball again when they decided to decline Harry Giles’ 5th-year option at the start of last season. Turns out, young talented players are actually pretty good to retain, who would’ve guessed? Now, Giles, who’s only 22, and who brings a unique mix of size, scoring, rebounding, and passing, is unrestricted and sought by many. He does have a bad history with injury, however.
Mason Plumlee
A cheap add that would help address some of our defensive problems, however, he alone might not be enough.
Willie Cauley Stein
A Javale McGee lite type, he’s young too.
Jahlil Okafor
A solid, young talent that brings reliable offensive play, but his defense on the other hand ... no bueno.
Hassan Whiteside
He can block shots and finish around the hoop, but he is slow on defense and infamously lazy. I don't like his fit here.
Demarcus Cousins
An enormous question mark from an attitude standpoint, not to mention health and legal standpoint as well. However, his upside is incredibly high as only two years ago he was considered an apex big man in the league. Still, he is basically immobile and a turnstile on defense, at this point, so I don't like fit here.
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I would love to see us add Thompson with the MLE and knab WCS on a minimum contract. Even after signing Bertans (assuming the deal is ~12 million/year), we would still have some money left over to roll over for next season, where apex centers like Steven Adams, Rudy Gobert, and Andre Drummond (a good friend of Beal) will all possibly be available.
At this point in the hypothetical, we have Devin Vassell, a promising 3&D wing, Thompson, a starting-caliber center that fills our needs, and WCS, an athletic rotational big. Those three players alone, I believe will help upgrade this team.
Then, it’s onto our expiring contracts and of the mix (Bertans, Shabazz, Matthews, and Ian), I see only Davis as a priority signing and try and sign him for around 10-14 million ideally from the hard cap. Re-signing Matthews/GPII really should only require two minimum/two-way contracts and we might as well do so.
Also, at this point, we have overloaded our roster with frontcourt pieces, and trading either Thomas Bryant or Mo Wagner seems inevitable. Yet, in this hypothetical, we keep both, as creating hypothetical trades is a nuisance. Keep in mind, however, that getting rid of Bryant seems more viable though, as he has much more value and a more tradable contract, but's beside the point.
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Ideally, we roll into next season with a team of:
Wall/Ish/GPII
A speedy pairing (Wall and Ish) with Payton to play a few minutes here and there for defense
Beal/Matthews/Jrob
A solid shooting trio, led by superstar Bradley Beal, Matthews is a capable sharpshooter off the bench, and Jerome is yet another potential 3&D.
Vassell/Brown/Bonga
Troy brings another primary ballhandler, Vassell brings a two-way skill set and versatility, while Bonga brings potential, length, and defense
Rui/Bertans/Wagner
Rui gives us solid mid-range play, Bertans is our off-the-bench spark, and Wagner plays a few minutes in between. However, this trio right here severely lacks in terms of defense.
Thompson/Bryant/WCS
A solid athletic defensive and rebounding duo (namely Tristan, but WCS is a fine 3rd stringer), and Bryant is there as an off the bench option for instant offense.
Plus: Admiral and our hypothetical second-rounder (say, two-way combo guard, Ty-Shon Alexander), both of which we put in the G-League.
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This team would match up decently with some of the top tier teams in the East and could end up competing for a spot in the second round perhaps the year after next. We would have added plenty of willing rebounder and defensive players, addressing our biggest issue, a healthy Wall, solidifying our ‘big three’, and improved our young core. There could be some cool lineups we could run as well with the young length, like:
Troy Brown
Bradley Beal
Devin Vassell
Isaac Bonga
Thompson
Defensively that team could be suffocating, as the entire lineup (with the exception of Beal) can effectively guard various positions and run a switchable defense.
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The real championship aspirations would be yet to come, still. Say, after 3 years in the mix of the Eastern conference, hopefully, 2 years after Scott Brooks is allowed to walk and we get a real HC, and after John Wall’s gargantuan contract finally comes off the books, Beal, aged 30 and still within his prime, and our young talent, who would be entering their primes, could have another max slot player added atop them. Ideally, we also re-sign Wall to something reasonable. That is our shot at contention. A solid 4-year window where we use our young talent/veteran superstars, to make our runs... possibly even a longer window if our guys develop ideally and if we draft well.
I know championship aspirations are hard to ponder at this point in time, but at the end of the day, it's the ultimate goal for any organization, and to be completely straightforward, it is certainly not unattainable with this core.
TL;DR
Draft Vassell/3&D(s), sign Thompson/athletic big(s), re-sign Bertans, Matthews, and GPII, let AP walk, don't re-sign Brooks, build towards when Wall comes off the books, which is when we'll look to compete for the championship for the next few years.
Thoughts?
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2020.10.12 17:00 TheTipOff 1 Free Agency Signing for Every Eastern Conference Playoff Team

With the 5-seed Miami Heat coming out of the East this year, and pushing the Los Angeles Lakers to 6 games, it’s safe to say anything can happen in the 2021 East Playoffs. However, this year’s free agency may help transform many of the “good”, into the “great”.

Orlando Magic — Josh Jackson

After a disappointing start to his NBA career, the former 4th overall pick Josh Jackson started to show signs of why he was so highly sought after coming out of Kansas. In 22 games in Memphis, he put up 9 points per game while shooting 44% from the field and 31% from three. While those numbers leave a lot to be desired, if put in the right situation, Jackson could most definitely become a serviceable piece of a playoff contender.
Enter the Orlando Magic. If their development of a seemingly big bust in Markelle Fultz is any indication, their development program may be able to put Jackson back on the right track. With questions looming over the future of Aaron Gordon and the health of Jonathon Isaac, there may be plenty of open minutes at the wing spots for Jackson to prove himself. And for all we know, another change of scenery may be exactly what he needs. This Orlando team as presently constructed, is too good to be tanking for the highest picks in the draft, but lacks the quality to push further past the first round of the playoffs. Taking a flyer on an athletic wing with potentially plenty of upside should be the types of moves they look to make this offseason, as they continue to figure out their front court configuration for the future.

Brooklyn Nets — Dario Saric

Despite being swept by the Toronto Raptors in this years playoffs, the Brooklyn Nets could be challenging for a title next season. With superstars Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving coming back into the fold, coupled with the continued growth of younger stars Spencer Dinwiddie, Caris LeVert and Jarret Allen, it would not be too surprising to see the Nets make it out of the Eastern Conference.
As of right now, the Nets only notable free agent going into the 2020 period is Joe Harris, but it’s more likely than not he will resign in Brooklyn for a relatively good deal. Without him, the Nets already owe a little over $140 million. Keeping in mind the reported salary cap in the NBA to be around $115 million next year (per Bleacher Report), the Nets will have to dip very far into the luxury tax if they want to make any significant moves. However, this may not seem like an awful option if the potential yield is an NBA title.
A potential low cost signing the Nets could turn to could be Dario Saric. After a decent first season in Phoenix (10 points and 6 rebounds per game), he could give the Nets some more depth at the forward spots. He also provides them with more shooting (35% from 3), giving Durant and Irving more room to work with. Finally, at 6'10", he does provide the option of playing a small ball 5, something the Nets do not really have with their current roster makeup.

Philadelphia 76ers — Davis Bertans

The Philadelphia 76ers may be the biggest disappointment in the NBA this season. After losing Jimmy Butler in the 2019 offseason, and paying Al Horford and Tobias Harris max money, they were eventually swept and embarrassed by the Boston Celtics in 4 games. Now with a new coach in Doc Rivers, it’s expected that big changes will be coming from Philadelphia. One of those changes will most certainly be attempts to move on from 34 year old big man Al Horford, who could not co exist at all with superstars Ben Simmons and Joel Embiid. That leaves a massive hole in the front court, and if the Sixers have any chance of making it work with their two young stars, they’re going to need shooting; and plenty of it.
Truth be told, any number of shooters could be on the list for the Sixers. Though the Sixers ranked in the middle of the pack in 3 point percentage this season just gone (36%, good for 14th in the league), the unwillingness of Ben Simmons to shoot, coupled with Joel Embiid being “wasted” on the perimeter, means they need more help in that department. Davis Bertans, is the so called “Latvian Laser”, and for good reason. In 54 games for the Wizards this year, he averaged 15.4 points per game, and hit 42% of his threes; on almost 9 attempts per game. That level of efficiency is very rare in any NBA player, let alone for a guy who stands 6"10. With all the max money the Sixers have given out these past couple offseasons, a relatively cheap shooter like Bertans would fit perfectly alongside Embiid and Simmons, and would give them infinite more room to work with compared to years gone by.

Miami Heat — Danilo Gallinari

The Miami Heat have always been a team linked with the biggest stars in free agency. But after making a surprising run to the Finals this season, they may be closer to winning a title than many people first initially thought. On top of this, the main superstar Miami has been reportedly chasing is Milwaukee Bucks forward Giannis Antetokounmpo, and considering he is a free agent in 2021 and not 2020, Miami may be best off being patient until then.
However that does not mean they will sit around and wait for this season to pass. One of the biggest weaknesses Miami faced against the Lakers in the Finals was one of size and height. Outside of all star Bam Adebayo, the Heat did not have a single key player over the height of 6"7 (unless you count Kelly Olynyk, who was forced into big minutes after Adebayo’s injury). Danilo Gallinari, though not the best defender out there, does give them some of that size at 6"10. Plus he adds more shooting and shot creation, something they also desperately needed in the Finals. On top of this, Miami was looking to bring him during the Feburary deadline, but was unable to come up with an adequate extension and the deal fell through. Now Miami has the chance to go back in for the forward.

Indiana Pacers — Bogdan Bogdanovic

The Indiana Pacers, despite getting swept by the Miami Heat in the first round, find themselves in a very positive financial situation. They are currently just barely over the $115 million salary cap ($124 million for 2020–21), and hold the 2nd lowest payroll in the NBA — only behind the New York Knicks. On top of this, if injury riddled star Victor Oladipo does force a move out of Indiana, that will clear another $21 million off the Pacers books. With no real note worthy free agents (outside of maybe Justin Holiday), the Pacers could look to pay someone big bucks.
However, the Pacers have never been a big free agent market and thus, they may look to pay for lower tier players who can grow into star roles in the future. With the potential loss of Victor Oladipo, there could be an opening for a star guard to join Malcolm Brogdon in the backcourt. Bogdan Bogdanovic, who just enjoyed the best season of his career, averaging 15 points per game in just 29 minutes, has expressed his discontent in Sacramento as a result of the rise in fellow guard Buddy Hield’s play. Indiana could be the perfect place for him to continue to grow, alongside fellow young prospects Myles Turner, Domantas Sabonis and Malcolm Brogdon. If Indiana wants to make the Turner-Sabonis front court pairing work, they’re going to need more shooting, and Bogdanovic can provide that and then some (37% on 7 attempts per game this season).

Boston Celtics — Nerlens Noel

The Boston Celtics have one of the best 5 man groups in the NBA. The combination of Kemba Walker, Marcus Smart, Gordon Hayward, Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown rivals any teams best 5 players in the league. The only issue is, they’re too small to all play on the court at the same time. Daniel Theis, Robert Williams and Grant Williams all did serviceable jobs at the center position, but Boston is going to need reinforcements (especially if they lose Enes Kanter in free agency).
However, if Gordon Hayward picks up his $30 million player option this offseason (which he most likely will do), and if Boston wants to pay Tatum and Brown in the future, they’re going to need to shop small this year. Nerlens Noel could be a cheap option this year that could grow into a starting level big in the future. Though not very young (26 years of age), after a rocky start in Philadelphia and Dallas, Noel proved himself to be a very good defensive backup in Oklahoma City this year. He could easily slot into the rotation behind Theis, and could grow into that starting role in the future. A move like this is relatively low risk low reward, but considering Boston was 2 games away from the NBA Finals this year, and assuming there is more growth to come from Tatum and Brown, Boston does not need to break the bank any time soon.

Toronto Raptors —Christian Wood

With Marc Gasol, Serge Ibaka and Fred Vanfleet all hitting the free agency markets this offseason, the Raptors could be looking at potentially a big shake up to their roster. However, looking at those 3 key pieces, Vanfleet seems the most likely to stay, just purely based on his age (26) and value. The other two, aged 34 and 31 respectively, may be finding new homes next summer. Ibaka could very well come back next year, and so could Gasol, but if the Raptors want to compete later on down the line, they’re going to need to find a younger big who can come in and play big minutes. Though they have Pascal Siakam and Chris Boucher already on the roster, a third big in that rotation may be more than necessary.
Christian Wood in his first year in Detroit had himself a breakout year. Averaging 13 points and 6 rebounds per game in just 21 minutes, he played so well the Pistons felt the need to trade away All Star center Andre Drummond at the deadline just to give Wood more minutes. Though a move like this may signal that the Pistons would do anything to keep Wood on the roster, Wood did tweet out in June, 4 words that should scare most Pistons fans;
I want to win
The 20–46 Pistons who did not receive a bubble invite does not seem like the best place to be to win. The 2nd seeded Toronto Raptors who may potentially have an open starting center spot on the other hand, seem like the perfect place for Wood to continue his development. However, this is of course hinged on the assumption that the Raptors don’t bring back Marc Gasol or even Serge Ibaka, two players who were both instrumental in their 2019 title run and 2020 post season run. Nevertheless, Wood would be a fantastic addition to the Raptors.

Milwaukee Bucks — Jerami Grant

After crumbling to the eventual Eastern Conference Champions, it’s clear the Milwaukee Bucks are further away from a championship than first anticipated. And considering the impending free agency of superstar Giannis Antetokounmpo, the Bucks need to make winning moves, and now.
Jerami Grant proved himself in a big way during the 2020 playoffs, on both sides of the ball. Against the Clippers, he had the task of guarding both Kawhi Leonard and Paul George, and was huge in helping them overcome a 3–1 deficit. Against the Lakers, he had the task of guarding Lebron James (and Anthony Davis from time to time), and still managed to average 15 points per game in that series. There were glimpses of two way brilliance from Grant in Oklahoma City last season, but this year he proved that he can hang with the best of them on the biggest stage, the exact type of player the Bucks need.
If Milwaukee wants to keep Giannis around, they’re going to have to make moves both through trades and in free agency. On the back of his excellent playoff run, Grant will most likely turn down his $9 million player option and enter the market. If the Bucks do manage to secure his services, they can begin to experiment more with lineups featuring Giannis at the 5, something that offensively could overwhelm many teams. Though Grant may not be the star name needed for the Bucks to win it all, he is a positive first step in the right direction.

Conclusion

On the surface, the lack of star names in the free agency market does make it seem like this years class will not live up to the hype of last years. But that’s to be expected, it’s impossible to have so many stars hit the market at the same time every single year. But what the 2020 free agency class does bring is many top tier role players that, if put on the right teams, can turn them from having playoff aspirations, into full blown title contenders.
*all stats are taken off basketballreference.com unless stated otherwise.
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2020.10.09 02:35 LetsRead_YouTube Trick or Treating Story 3

I don’t know if this is going to scare any adult readers out here, but as a kid this definitely scared the crap out of me. My Dad used to take me and my sister Trick or Treating around our neighbourhood here in Toronto every year when we were kids, being a chaperone so we didn’t get lost or picked on by older kids. He was always good like that, and me and my sister used to share our candy with him we got home. It was a major Dad-Tax, but we never minded, there’s no way I’d have felt safe enough going out on my own on a dark, freezing night, not when I was that age anyway.
So this one year, we end up calling at a new neighbour’s house on Halloween night. They’d only moved in like a week or two before, and I don’t think my parents had any interactions with them, so I imagine Dad thought it would be a good idea to call over that night so we could get some candy, while he could say ‘Hi’ to the new arrivals; two birds, one stone, and all that. But what we didn’t know, was that these new neighbours were super hard-core Christians, and most definitely were not down with the whole spooky Halloween atmosphere.
So we knock on their door, the neighbour lady answers, and we’re all like “trick or treat”! Pretty much every single household up until that point had reacted wonderfully, told us how cute we looked in our costumes, given us candy, all that good stuff. But this lady reacts really, really badly, and starts telling Dad how irresponsible he is for taking us out into the cold on a night like that. A little exchange kicks off between her and Dad, who politely defends his reasoning, even making a joke about how he got to eat a little of the candy himself. The lady just stared at him blankly for a second, before she just starts screaming all this bible stuff at us. She had this horrible look of pure anger on her face, all twisted up with big, furious eyes and he pointed a long, bony finger at us. I couldn’t remember exactly what she said, so I spent a little time doing some research so I could pull up some of the exact quotes that came out of her. Like I said, not totally terrifying for adults, and I remember my Dad shaking his head and just leading us away from the house. But to me and my sister, all the screaming about God and Demons and the Devil and whatnot just absolutely terrified us, and we cried so hard for a while until Dad could managed to calm us down.
So one of the things she definitely said was, “Abstain from every form of evil, you cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. You cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons!” which I guess was her implying that you couldn’t partake in any spooky fun around Halloween if you really wanted to be a good, God fearing Christian. Another was definitely - “take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them! And give no opportunity to the devil!” she screamed that one at us as my Dad took us each by the hand and lead us away from the house.
The final thing we heard before we got out into the open street was “be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour! Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!” I mean she carried on screaming stuff at us, following us outside and into the street, as I’m guessing she started ranting at all the other parent and kid teams who were out that night; but I can’t really remember what she said after all that, I didn’t hear over my own sobbing.
Dad walked us away until we couldn’t hear her anymore, then gave us each a big hug to calm us down. I remember asking him if trick or treating made us bad people, but he told us ‘no’, that there was no harm in a little bit of spooky fun on Halloween, and that God wouldn’t be mad at us for visiting our neighbours, or sharing candy with strangers. That kind of thing made people and communities feel closer together, not further apart, the only thing that did push people apart were horrible neighbour ladies who scream scary things at kids and get mad at them when they don’t deserve it. All that made us feel much better, and calmed us right down, just about in time to call at a few more houses before we called it a night, heading home to eat ourselves into a diabetes hole in front of A Nightmare Before Christmas, which coincidentally, is still one of my favourite movies ever. Years went by, but I never forgot how horrible that neighbour lady was to her that evening, and me and my sister grew to hate her. You all might be pretty happy to hear that she used to get the ‘trick’ side of trick or treating quite a lot too, and it wasn’t unusual for my sister and I to head off to school on the morning of November 1 st to see them pulling toilet paper out of the tree in their front yard. But anyway, that’s definitely the scariest thing that ever happened to me out of all the times I went trick or treating during my youth. Maybe that makes me sound a little sheltered, but as I said, I challenge any eleven year old not to get super creeped out by a lady screaming scary bible verses in their face on a dark, freezing night like that.
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2020.09.23 02:35 dvd5671 [OC] The Full Butterfly Effect of the Carmelo Anthony Nuggets/Knicks/Timberwolves Trade

One day a couple of months ago, I was on Instagram and saw a picture of that showed the full effects of the Kyrie Irving to the Celtics trade. I was really fascinated by it and tried to find others like it, but was unsuccessful. So, I made one myself. I decided to go ahead and try the Carmelo Anthony Nuggets to Knicks trade. I chose this specific trade because it had an absurd 19 people involved in it and almost all of them ended up getting traded as well. So it made for a lot of future spirals into NBA history. So, after about a week of research, I present to you The Full Butterfly Effect of the Carmelo Anthony Nuggets/Knicks/Timberwolves Trade:

The Official Trade:
On February 22, 2011, a 3-way deal between the New York Knicks, Denver Nuggets, and Minnesota Timberwolves occurred that sent superstar Carmelo Anthony to Denver. This is the official breakdown of that initial trade:
(*) = Eventually Traded Away
New York Knicks Denver Nuggets Minnesota Timberwolves
Carmelo Anthony* Danilo Gallinari* 2015 2nd Rounder (Richaun Holmes)*
Chauncey Billups^ Timofey Mozgov* Eddy Curry
Renaldo Balkman^ Wilson Chandler* Anthony Randolph
Corey Brewer^ Raymond Felton*
Shelden Williams Kosta Koufos*
Anthony Carter 2012 2nd Rounder (Quincy Miller)
2016 1st Rounder (Jakob Poeltl)* 2013 2nd Rounder (Romero Osby)*
2014 1st Rounder (Dario Saric)*
2016 1st Rounder (Jamal Murray)
On the Knicks' perspective, Billups, Brewer, and Balkman were each eventually waived. Williams left after the season, and Melo and the pick that led to Jakob were eventually traded off. From the Nuggets' side, everything in that trade package was traded away except the picks for Miller and thankfully Murray. And for Minnesota, nothing they received last with them after that season. This trade ended up resulting in 10 further trades. I then looked at the results from THOSE trades, and the trades that resulted from THOSE trades, and so on. This single trade in 2011 led to 168 future trades, involving 470 different players/draft picks. Some of them led to small trades (Eric Paschall to the Warriors for a future pick and cash), and some led to blockbusters (AD to LA, ironically Kyrie to Boston, K-Love to Cleveland). But here's all of it:

The Full Trade Results:

(Players in bold represent players still currently on the said team and are listed alphabetically (Teams are listed by the order of the original trade, and then alphabetically after that)
NEW YORK KNICKS DENVER NUGGETS MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES ATLANTA HAWKS BOSTON CELTICS BROOKLYN NETS CHARLOTTE HORNETS CHICAGO BULLS CLEVELAND CAVALIERS DALLAS MAVERICKS DETROIT PISTONS GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS HOUSTON ROCKETS INDIANA PACERS LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS LOS ANGELES LAKERS MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES MIAMI HEAT MILWAUKEE BUCKS NEW ORLEANS PELICANS OKLAHOMA CITY THUNDER ORLANDO MAGIC PHILADELPHIA 76ERS PHOENIX SUNS PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS SACRAMENTO KINGS SAN ANTONIO SPURS TORONTO RAPTORS UTAH JAZZ WASHINGTON WIZARDS
Alexey Shved Aaron Brooks Anthony Bennett Alpha Kaba Carsen Edwards Caris LeVert Bismack Biyombo Anthony Morrow Andre Drummond Chinanu Onuaku Blake Griffin Andrew Wiggins Bruno Caboclo Maarty Leunen Darrun Hilliard Anthony Davis Avery Bradley Andre Iguodala George Hill Ater Majok Chris Paul Al Harrington Andrew Bynum Aron Baynes Alonzo Gee Aaron Gray DeMar Derozan Chuck Hayes Andris Biedrins Admiral Schofield
Andrea Bargnani Corey Brewer Anthony Randolph Bruno Fernando Demetrius Jackson Casper Ware Cody Martin Cameron Payne Ante Zizic Doug McDermott Brandon Knight Eric Paschall Iman Shumpert Malcolm Brogdon David Michineau Channing Frye Brandon Clarke Jae Crowder Greivis Vasquez Brandon Ingram Daniel Hamilton C.J. Wilcox Boban Marjanovic Brandan Wright Arron Afflalo Alec Burks Georgios Printezis Danny Green Brandon Rush Isaac Bonga
Anthony Carter Devin Harris D’Angelo Williams Carmelo Anthony Guerschon Yabusele Jahlil Okafor Josh McRoberts Chandler Hutchison Arturas Gudaitis Dwight Powell Deividas Sirvydis Jason Thompson Isaiah Hartenstein Nik Stauskas Devyn Marble Chris Duhon Brice Johnson Jimmy Butler Jason Kidd (as a Coach) Cheick Diallo Danilo Gallinari Christian Eyenga Carl Landry Cameron Johnson Brendan Haywood Alonzo Gee Jakob Poeltl Diante Garrett Derrick Rose Jemerrio Jones
Arnett Moultrie DJ Augustin Eddy Curry Chandler Parsons Jayson Tatum Jared Dudley Miles Bridges Daniel Gafford Cedi Osman Justin Jackson Jameer Nelson Julian Washburn Jason Terry Rakeem Christmas Garrett Temple Corey Brewer De’Anthony Melton Meyers Leonard Nikola Mirotic DeMarcus Cousins Darius Bazley Evan Fournier Eric Maynor Cenk Akyol Dan Gadzuric Andre Miller Keldon Johnson Kawhi Leonard Grant Jerrett Jerome Robinson
Chauncey Billups Gerald Green Evan Turner Clint Capela Kyrie Irving Jaylen Hands Mo Williams Joffrey Lauvergne Chukwudiebere Maduabum Justin Patton James Ennis Kevin Murphy Jordan Hamilton Thaddeus Young Isaiah Thomas Dwight Howard Dillon Brooks Ryan Anderson Sterling Brown Jason Smith Dennis Schroder Hakim Warrick Furkan Korkmaz Dario Saric Eric Maynor Ben McLemore Marcus Camby Jordan Clarkson Jonathan Simmons
Cleanthony Early Isaiah Whitehead Gary Neal Damian Jones Marcus Morris K.J. McDaniels Willy Hernangomez Julyan Stone Collin Sexton Kostas Antetokounmpo John Henson 2021 1st Rounder (Timberwolves - Top 3 Protected) Josh Smith Wade Baldwin Ivica Zubac Earl Clark Dion Waiters Solomon Hill 2020 1st Rounder (Pacers) Jaxson Hayes Isaiah Roby Jerian Grant Gerald Wallace Darrell Arthur Gary Trent Jr. Buddy Hield Norman Powell Kendall Marshall Moritz Wagner
Corey Brewer Jamal Murray Jacob Evans De’Andre Hunter Nate Robinson Kenneth Faried 2020 2nd Rounder (Cavaliers) MarShon Brooks Dante Exum Petteri Koponen Jordan Bone 2021 2nd Rounder (Timberwolves) Marko Todorovic 2021 2nd Rounder (Bucks) JaMychal Green Isaiah Thomas Gorgui Dieng 2021 2nd Rounder (Pacers) Jeff Withey Kevin Hervey Justin Jackson Isaiah Canaan Elfrid Payton Hassan Whiteside Derrick Williams OG Anunoby Kendrick Perkins Ramon Sessions
Damyean Dotson Jameer Nelson James Johnson DeAndre Liggins Perry Jones Nicolas Claxton 2021 2nd Rounder (Clippers) Omer Asik Dylan Windler Rajon Rondo Reggie Jackson Robert Covington Jonathan Motley Jose Calderon Grayson Allen 2025 2nd Rounder (Pacers) Josh Hart Kyle Singler Markelle Fultz Ish Smith Jevon Carter Jared Jeffries Deyonta Davis Patrick Patterson Mike Conley Sam Dekker
Derrick Rose Jan Vesely Jarred Vanderbilt Diamond Stone Romeo Langford Nik Stauskas Quincy Pondexter Kevin Love Ray Spalding Steve Blake Russell Westbrook Kyle Wiltjer Mike Muscala Jordan Bell Lonzo Ball Randy Foye Nikola Vucevic J.P. Tokoto Kyle Korver Mike Miller Dimitrios Agravanis Quentin Richardson Richard Jefferson Shabazz Napier
Emmanuel Mudiay Joey Dorsey Jarrett Culver Ersan Ilyasova Semi Ojeleye Quincy Miller Robin Lopez Larry Nance Jr. Raymond Felton Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk Sergei Lishouk Landry Shamet Reggie Bullock Josh Jackson Marcos Louzada Silva Shai Gilgeous-Alexander Romero Osby Jared Cunningham Mike Scott Pat Connaughton Frank Mason III Ricky Rubio
Enes Kanter Jordan McRae Jaylen Nowell Jamal Crawford 2020 1st Rounder (Bucks) Rondae Hollis-Jefferson Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot Marquese Chriss Tyson Chandler Thon Maker Ty Lawson Lou Williams Thomas Bryant Justice Winslow Nickeil Alexander-Walker Sofoklis Schortsanitis Timofey Mozgov Jason Richardson Richaun Holmes Robin Lopez Harrison Barnes Shelvin Mack
Ignas Brazdeikis Kieta Bates-Diop Jerryd Bayless John Salmons Xavier Thames Tony Allen Matthew Dellavedova Zach Randolph 2021 2nd Rounder (Lakers) 2024 2nd Rounder (Warriors) Marcus Morris Justin Holiday Omri Casspi Taj Gibson Wesley Iwundu JaVale McGee Troy Daniels Rodney Hood Harry Giles Tony Bradley
Issuf Sanon Kostas Papanikolaou Josh Okogie Justin Anderson 2020 1st Rounder (76ers) Wayne Selden Renaldas Seibutis 2020 2nd Rounder (Warriors) 2023 2nd Rounder (Warriors) 2025 1st Rounder (Thunder) Mathias Lessort Kosta Koufos Stanley Johnson 2020 2nd Rounder (Nuggets) Jonah Bolden Ty Jerome Terrel Harris Jeremy Tyler Tyrone Wallace
Johnny O’Bryant Mo Williams Juan Hernangomez Kay Felder 2020 2nd Rounder (Nuggets) Willie Reed Sergiy Gladyr Mfiondu Kabengele Miles Plumlee Tony Carr 2021 1st Rounder (Rockets) Josh Richardson Tyler Johnson Zach Collins Joe Johnson 2024 2nd Rounder (Cavaliers)
Kurt Thomas Monte Morris Kevin Garnett Kirk Hinrich 2021 2nd Rounder (Pacers) Sir’Dominic Pointer Michael Beasley Rade Zagorac 2020 2nd Rounder (Bucks) 2022 1st Rounder (Clippers) Justin Patton Wayne Ellington Justin James
Maurice Harkless Nick Johnson Malik Beasley Lou Williams Timofey Mozgov Montrezl Harrell 2020 2nd Rounder (Suns) 2020 2nd Rounder (Wizards) 2023 1st Rounder (Clippers) Marquis Teague Kyle Guy
Mitchell Robinson Pablo Prigioni Omari Spellman Lucas Nogueira 2021 1st Rounder (Bucks) Patrick Beverly 2021 2nd Rounder (Suns) 2021 1st Rounder (Lakers) 2023 1st Rounder (Heat) Matisse Thybulle Langston Galloway
Ognjen Jaramaz Petr Cornelie Tanguy Ngombo Nene 2022 2nd Rounder (Spurs) Paul George 2022 2nd Rounder (Pistons) 2021 2nd Rounder (Cavaliers) 2024 1st Rounder (Clippers) Mike Scott Luka Mitrovic
Quincy Acy Quincy Miller Tyus Jones Richard Jefferson 2022 2nd Rounder (Wizards) Vladimir Veremeenko 2023 2nd Rounder (Rockets) 2023 1st Rounder (Lakers) 2024 1st Rounder (Rockets) Ronny Turiaf Rudy Gay
Renaldo Balkman Rudy Fernandez 2020 1st Rounder (Nets) Thabo Sefolosha 2022 2nd Rounder (Rockets) Wilson Chandler 2024 1st Rounder (Warriors) 2024 1st Rounder (Lakers) 2024 2nd Rounder (Grizzlies) Sasha Kaun Scotty Hopson
Samuel Dalembert Steve Novak 2022 2nd Rounder (Nuggets) 2022 1st Rounder (Thunder) 2021 1st Rounder (Knicks) 2025 1st Rounder (Clippers) Shake Milton Tyreke Evans
Shane Larkin Thomas Robinson 2023 2nd Rounder (Pelicans) 2023 1st Rounder (Thunder) 2025 1st Rounder (Rockets) Tiago Splitter Vanja Marinkovic
Shelden Williams Thomas Welsh 2024 2nd Rounder (Warriors) 2023 2nd Rounder (Pistons) 2026 1st Rounder (Clippers) Tibor Pleiss Wayne Ellington
Thanasis Antetokounmpo Victor Claver 2026 2nd Rounder (Warriors) 2026 1st Rounder (Rockets) Tobias Harris 2020 2nd Rounder (Pistons)
2020 1st Rounder (Clippers) Vlatko Cancar Travis Outlaw 2020 2nd Rounder (Rockets)
2020 2nd Rounder (Hornets) Will Barton Trevor Booker 2021 2nd Rounder (Grizzlies)
2021 1st Rounder (Clippers) 2020 1st Rounder (Rockets) 2020 1st Rounder (Thunder)
2021 2nd Rounder (Hornets) 2022 2nd Rounder (76ers) 2020 2nd Rounder (Hawks)
2021 2nd Rounder (Pistons) 2020 2nd Rounder (Lakers)
2021 2nd Rounder (Knicks)
2023 2nd Rounder (Hawks)
2024 2nd Rounder (Heat)

I think the craziest part about this trade is that it occurred a little bit under a decade ago, but is still going on and most likely will be for a long time. There's a trade included here going all the way to 2026. Let me know what you observed from this and who you thought won this trade or even if you want me to do more of these.
Here's the document I wrote with the details of each trade: Document
My source for this was Basketball-Reference
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2020.09.21 15:15 llewellynjean [OC] Ranking all 100 media members who vote on the NBA awards by how contrarian their ballots were (Most contrarian: Greg Logan of Newsday; Least contrarian: Kelly Iko of The Athletic)

Over the weekend, the NBA released the individual ballots of the 100 media members who voted on the awards.
Last year, I used the ballots for all 13 of the major awards to find who were the most and least controversial voters. That year I found Kennegh Lau to be the most contrarian voter while Doris Burke and Zach Lowe were the least contrarian. Unsurprisingly, Lau did not have a vote this season after he put Dwayne Wade on All-NBA Second Team and left Jokic and PG of his MVP ballot all together last season.
This year I'm going to re-create my analysis from last season to rank every media member by how "contrarian" their ballots were. In short, I'm going to calculate the average distance between the points a voter award to players on a specific ballot and the average points those players received from voters.
Here's an example of it works:
  • Andre Drummond received one first place vote for Defensive Player of the Year, which was worth 5 points. Since there are 100 media members, Drummond received on average 0.05 points per media member
  • Greg Logan of Newsday gave Drummond a first place vote for Defensive Player of the Year, again, which was worth 5 points.
  • 5 - 0.05 (average) = 4.95 point differential (absolute value taken, higher values are "worse")
  • To penalize votes that were especially contrarian, I took the squared value of each difference. That means giving Andre Drummond five points for Defensive Player of the Year when his average points per media member was 0.05 would be a lot more "contrarian" than giving five points to Rudy Gobert, who finished third in the voting and had an average points per media member of 2.81.
  • After I squared each result, I took the square root of the average difference between all the points awarded on a particular ballot and the average points the 100 media members awarded to those players on that ballot.
  • To continue to use Logan as an example, he gave Drummond 5 points (Drummond received 0.05 points per media member on average), Whiteside 3 points (0.03 points per media member) and Giannis 1 point (4.32 points per media member).
Drummond: (5 - 0.05)2 = 24.5
Whiteside: (3 - 0.03)2 = 8.8
Giannis: (1 - 4.32)2 = 11.0
Average Deviation From The Consensus: sqrt((24.5+8.8+11.0)/3) = ~3.84
  • I did this same calculation for every media member for every award (MVP, Rookie of the Year, Sixth Man of the Year, Most Improved Player of the Year, Defensive Player of the Year, Coach of the Year, All-NBA First Team, All-NBA Second Team, All-NBA Third Team, All-Defensive First Team, All-Defensive Second Team, All-Rookie First Team, All-Rookie Second Team).
  • Lastly, I took the sum of all these average deviations from the 13 awards to create what I'm calling a "Total Contrarian Score"
If you don’t care about any of that, just know that the higher someone’s Total Contrarian Score, the more their ballots deviated from the average voter. The lower their score, the more closely their ballots resembled the consensus.
Before I get into the rankings I do want to note that not all ballots that are considered contrarian by my calculations are "bad" or indefensible. In fact, I like a lot of the ballots that ended up with high contrarian scores.
For instance, Rod Beard's Most Improved ballot had the highest contrarian score for that award in part because he gave a first place vote to Christian Wood (0.11 average) and a second place vote to Devonte Graham (0.5 average). Both Wood and Graham had excellent breakout seasons and it's easy to make case for them to be on some voter's ballots. But because Wood and Graham finished 7th and 4th in the voting for MIP, respectively, Beard's ballot stands out.
That said, there are some real head scratchers in these results. For example, I cant think of a single case for Drummond or Whiteside to be on someone's DPOY ballot unless you only play fantasy basketball.
Without further delay, here is the table of all 100 media members, ranked by their “Total Contrarian Score” along with which ballot they cast that was most contrarian relative to the consensus.
Voter Affillation Total Contrarian Score Award Individual Contrarian Score First Second Third Fourth Fifth
Logan, Greg Newsday 21.44 Defensive Player of the Year 3.84 Drummond, Andre (CLE) Whiteside, Hassan (POR) Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) NA NA
Cowley, Joe Chicago Sun-Times 20.93 Defensive Player of the Year 3.48 Beverley, Patrick (LAC) Davis, Anthony (LAL) Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) NA NA
Daimiel, Antoni Movistar+ 19.19 Defensive Player of the Year 2.9 Adebayo, Bam (MIA) Davis, Anthony (LAL) Lopez, Brook (MIL) NA NA
Sohi, Seerat Yahoo! Sports 19.19 Coach of the Year 3.85 McMillan, Nate (Indiana Pacers) Vogel, Frank (Los Angeles Lakers) Nurse, Nick (Toronto Raptors) NA NA
Pelton, Kevin ESPN 19.14 Most Improved 2.65 Graham, Devonte' (CHA) Ingram, Brandon (NOP) Young, Trae (ATL) NA NA
Bucher, Ric Bleacher Report 18.78 Coach of the Year 3.28 Budenholzer, Mike (Milwaukee Bucks) Spoelstra, Erik (Miami Heat) Nurse, Nick (Toronto Raptors) NA NA
Jones, Mark ESPN 18.59 Most Valuable Player 3.17 James, LeBron (LAL) Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) Lillard, Damian (POR) Paul, Chris (OKC) Harden, James (HOU)
Pompey, Keith Philadelphia Inquirer and Daily News 18.57 Defensive Player of the Year 2.87 Simmons, Ben (PHI) Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) Davis, Anthony (LAL) NA NA
Scott, Dennis Turner 18.12 Sixth Man of the Year 2.76 Williams, Lou (LAC) Schroder, Dennis (OKC) Harrell, Montrezl (LAC) NA NA
Termine, Justin Sirius Radio 17.9 All NBA First Team 2.96 Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) James, LeBron (LAL) Jokic, Nikola (DEN) Doncic, Luka (DAL) Paul, Chris (OKC)
Haynes, Chris Yahoo! Sports 17.86 Coach of the Year 2.62 Donovan, Billy (Oklahoma City Thunder) Vogel, Frank (Los Angeles Lakers) Spoelstra, Erik (Miami Heat) NA NA
Bontemps, Tim ESPN 17.83 All NBA First Team 2.89 Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) James, LeBron (LAL) Jokic, Nikola (DEN) Lillard, Damian (POR) Doncic, Luka (DAL)
Rose, Jalen ESPN 17.67 Sixth Man of the Year 2.59 Williams, Lou (LAC) Harrell, Montrezl (LAC) Schroder, Dennis (OKC) NA NA
Charania, Shams The Athletic/Stadium 17.58 Defensive Player of the Year 2.66 Davis, Anthony (LAL) Gobert, Rudy (UTA) Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) NA NA
Swanson, Mirjam Southern California News Group 17.29 Most Improved 2.39 Adebayo, Bam (MIA) Gilgeous-Alexander, Shai (OKC) Ingram, Brandon (NOP) NA NA
Kosmider, Nick The Athletic 17.22 Coach of the Year 2.27 Budenholzer, Mike (Milwaukee Bucks) Nurse, Nick (Toronto Raptors) Donovan, Billy (Oklahoma City Thunder) NA NA
Chinellato, Davide La Gazzetta dello Sport 17.09 Most Improved 2.8 Tatum, Jayson (BOS) Ingram, Brandon (NOP) Adebayo, Bam (MIA) NA NA
Anthony, Greg Turner 16.86 Most Valuable Player 2.74 James, LeBron (LAL) Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) Paul, Chris (OKC) Doncic, Luka (DAL) Butler, Jimmy (MIA)
Taylor, Maria ESPN 16.85 Most Improved 2.82 Siakam, Pascal (TOR) Adebayo, Bam (MIA) Tatum, Jayson (BOS) NA NA
Berman, Marc New York Post 16.74 Coach of the Year 2.27 Budenholzer, Mike (Milwaukee Bucks) Nurse, Nick (Toronto Raptors) Donovan, Billy (Oklahoma City Thunder) NA NA
Wilbon, Michael ESPN 16.66 Most Improved 2.28 Adebayo, Bam (MIA) Graham, Devonte' (CHA) Ingram, Brandon (NOP) NA NA
Reverchon, Remi BeIN Sport (France) 16.5 All NBA First Team 2.01 Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) James, LeBron (LAL) Jokic, Nikola (DEN) Harden, James (HOU) Doncic, Luka (DAL)
Young, Royce ESPN 16.4 Defensive Player of the Year 2.92 Adebayo, Bam (MIA) Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) Simmons, Ben (PHI) NA NA
Washburn, Gary Boston Globe 16.37 Most Improved 2.65 Graham, Devonte' (CHA) Ingram, Brandon (NOP) Wood, Christian (DET) NA NA
Reynolds, Tim Associated Press 16.14 All NBA First Team 2.17 James, LeBron (LAL) Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) Davis, Anthony (LAL) Harden, James (HOU) Lillard, Damian (POR)
Stern, Casey Turner 16.04 Most Improved 2.06 Ingram, Brandon (NOP) Tatum, Jayson (BOS) Adebayo, Bam (MIA) NA NA
Arnovitz, Kevin ESPN 15.94 Sixth Man of the Year 2.18 Harrell, Montrezl (LAC) Wood, Christian (DET) Schroder, Dennis (OKC) NA NA
Beard, Rod Detroit News 15.76 Most Improved 3.43 Wood, Christian (DET) Graham, Devonte' (CHA) Ingram, Brandon (NOP) NA NA
Quick, Jason The Athletic 15.76 All NBA Second Team 2.12 Davis, Anthony (LAL) Leonard, Kawhi (LAC) Gobert, Rudy (UTA) Beal, Bradley (WAS) Lillard, Damian (POR)
Jackson, Mark ESPN 15.56 Coach of the Year 2.36 Donovan, Billy (Oklahoma City Thunder) Nurse, Nick (Toronto Raptors) Vogel, Frank (Los Angeles Lakers) NA NA
Mahoney, Brian Associated Press 15.54 Most Improved 2.21 Ingram, Brandon (NOP) Gilgeous-Alexander, Shai (OKC) Adebayo, Bam (MIA) NA NA
Zillgitt, Jeff USA Today 15.47 Most Improved 2.32 Doncic, Luka (DAL) Ingram, Brandon (NOP) Tatum, Jayson (BOS) NA NA
Elhassan, Amin ESPN 15.32 Most Valuable Player 2.22 James, LeBron (LAL) Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) Doncic, Luka (DAL) Leonard, Kawhi (LAC) Paul, Chris (OKC)
Aschburner, Steve NBA.com 15.24 All NBA First Team 2.89 Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) James, LeBron (LAL) Jokic, Nikola (DEN) Doncic, Luka (DAL) Lillard, Damian (POR)
Smith, Sekou NBA.com 15.2 All NBA Second Team 2.18 Tatum, Jayson (BOS) Siakam, Pascal (TOR) Gobert, Rudy (UTA) Harden, James (HOU) Paul, Chris (OKC)
Broussard, Chris Fox Sports 15.13 Most Valuable Player 2.51 Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) James, LeBron (LAL) Jokic, Nikola (DEN) Doncic, Luka (DAL) Harden, James (HOU)
Bancharel, Antoine Canal+ Afrique 14.99 Defensive Player of the Year 2.04 Gobert, Rudy (UTA) Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) Davis, Anthony (LAL) NA NA
Bao, Renjun Tencent 14.92 Most Improved 2.94 Doncic, Luka (DAL) Graham, Devonte' (CHA) Adebayo, Bam (MIA) NA NA
Kestecher, Marc ESPN 14.88 Most Improved 2.87 Tatum, Jayson (BOS) Adebayo, Bam (MIA) Ingram, Brandon (NOP) NA NA
Lu, Coral ESPN-Tencent 14.87 All NBA Second Team 2.1 Davis, Anthony (LAL) Leonard, Kawhi (LAC) Embiid, Joel (PHI) Lillard, Damian (POR) Simmons, Ben (PHI)
O'Connor, Kevin The Ringer 14.8 Most Improved 2.86 Doncic, Luka (DAL) Young, Trae (ATL) Tatum, Jayson (BOS) NA NA
Isola, Frank Sirius Radio 14.7 Most Improved 2.92 Doncic, Luka (DAL) Tatum, Jayson (BOS) Adebayo, Bam (MIA) NA NA
Smith, Doug The Toronto Star 14.55 Most Valuable Player 2.15 Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) James, LeBron (LAL) Leonard, Kawhi (LAC) Davis, Anthony (LAL) Harden, James (HOU)
Katz, Fred The Athletic 14.47 Most Improved 2.06 Ingram, Brandon (NOP) Tatum, Jayson (BOS) Adebayo, Bam (MIA) NA NA
McMenamin, Dave ESPN 14.46 Defensive Player of the Year 1.93 Davis, Anthony (LAL) Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) Simmons, Ben (PHI) NA NA
Pasch, Dave ESPN 14.44 All NBA Second Team 1.73 Tatum, Jayson (BOS) Leonard, Kawhi (LAC) Jokic, Nikola (DEN) Lillard, Damian (POR) Simmons, Ben (PHI)
Rankin, Duane Arizona Republic 14.37 Defensive Player of the Year 2.38 Davis, Anthony (LAL) Simmons, Ben (PHI) Gobert, Rudy (UTA) NA NA
Simmons, Bill The Ringer 14.31 Most Valuable Player 2.02 Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) James, LeBron (LAL) Leonard, Kawhi (LAC) Jokic, Nikola (DEN) Doncic, Luka (DAL)
Smith, Stephen A. ESPN 14.26 Most Improved 2.65 Doncic, Luka (DAL) Adebayo, Bam (MIA) Ingram, Brandon (NOP) NA NA
Medina, Mark USA Today 14.25 Defensive Player of the Year 1.96 Davis, Anthony (LAL) Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) Gobert, Rudy (UTA) NA NA
Vardon, Joe The Athletic 14.23 Sixth Man of the Year 2.28 Williams, Lou (LAC) Harrell, Montrezl (LAC) Hill, George (MIL) NA NA
Harper, Zach The Athletic 14.12 Most Valuable Player 2.3 Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) James, LeBron (LAL) Leonard, Kawhi (LAC) Siakam, Pascal (TOR) Harden, James (HOU)
Devine, Dan The Ringer 13.93 Most Improved 2.65 Doncic, Luka (DAL) Adebayo, Bam (MIA) Ingram, Brandon (NOP) NA NA
Townsend, Brad Dallas Morning News 13.89 Most Improved 2.1 Adebayo, Bam (MIA) Doncic, Luka (DAL) Ingram, Brandon (NOP) NA NA
Windhorst, Brian ESPN 13.82 All NBA Second Team 2.07 Siakam, Pascal (TOR) Leonard, Kawhi (LAC) Embiid, Joel (PHI) Harden, James (HOU) Lillard, Damian (POR)
Johnson, Ernie Turner 13.5 All NBA Second Team 1.88 Siakam, Pascal (TOR) Tatum, Jayson (BOS) Gobert, Rudy (UTA) Doncic, Luka (DAL) Lillard, Damian (POR)
Sandri, Simone La Gazzetta Dello Sport 13.47 Coach of the Year 2.36 Donovan, Billy (Oklahoma City Thunder) Nurse, Nick (Toronto Raptors) Vogel, Frank (Los Angeles Lakers) NA NA
Hine, Chris Minneapolis Star Tribune 13.45 Most Valuable Player 1.97 Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) Harden, James (HOU) James, LeBron (LAL) Leonard, Kawhi (LAC) Davis, Anthony (LAL)
Nichols, Rachel ESPN 13.37 Most Improved 2.57 Doncic, Luka (DAL) Ingram, Brandon (NOP) Adebayo, Bam (MIA) NA NA
Mannix, Chris Sports Illustrated 13.33 Most Improved 2.1 Adebayo, Bam (MIA) Bertans, Davis (WAS) Graham, Devonte' (CHA) NA NA
Greenberg, Jared Turner 13.26 Most Valuable Player 2.27 Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) James, LeBron (LAL) Davis, Anthony (LAL) Doncic, Luka (DAL) Harden, James (HOU)
Anderson, Jason Sacramento Bee 13.21 Most Improved 2.57 Doncic, Luka (DAL) Ingram, Brandon (NOP) Adebayo, Bam (MIA) NA NA
Larsen, Andy Salt Lake Tribune 13.21 Most Improved 3 Doncic, Luka (DAL) Tatum, Jayson (BOS) Ingram, Brandon (NOP) NA NA
Horne, Erik The Athletic 13.18 Most Valuable Player 2.15 Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) James, LeBron (LAL) Leonard, Kawhi (LAC) Davis, Anthony (LAL) Harden, James (HOU)
Parker, Candace Turner 13.18 Defensive Player of the Year 1.96 Davis, Anthony (LAL) Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) Gobert, Rudy (UTA) NA NA
McDonald, Jeff San Antonio Express-News 13.05 All NBA First Team 2.17 James, LeBron (LAL) Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) Davis, Anthony (LAL) Lillard, Damian (POR) Harden, James (HOU)
Albert, Marv Turner 12.97 All NBA First Team 2.01 Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) James, LeBron (LAL) Jokic, Nikola (DEN) Harden, James (HOU) Doncic, Luka (DAL)
MacMullan, Jackie ESPN 12.97 Most Improved 2.21 Ingram, Brandon (NOP) Gilgeous-Alexander, Shai (OKC) Adebayo, Bam (MIA) NA NA
Barry, Jon ESPN 12.96 Sixth Man of the Year 1.76 Harrell, Montrezl (LAC) Williams, Lou (LAC) Schroder, Dennis (OKC) NA NA
Shelburne, Ramona ESPN 12.88 Most Valuable Player 1.86 James, LeBron (LAL) Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) Harden, James (HOU) Leonard, Kawhi (LAC) Paul, Chris (OKC)
Schuhmann, John NBA.com 12.87 All NBA First Team 2.01 Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) James, LeBron (LAL) Jokic, Nikola (DEN) Doncic, Luka (DAL) Harden, James (HOU)
Martinez, Diego Reforma 12.69 Most Valuable Player 2.01 James, LeBron (LAL) Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) Harden, James (HOU) Davis, Anthony (LAL) Leonard, Kawhi (LAC)
Malet, Maxime L'Equipe 12.68 Defensive Player of the Year 2.04 Gobert, Rudy (UTA) Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) Davis, Anthony (LAL) NA NA
Goodwill, Vince Yahoo! Sports 12.65 Most Improved 2.06 Ingram, Brandon (NOP) Tatum, Jayson (BOS) Adebayo, Bam (MIA) NA NA
Powell, Shaun NBA.com 12.61 All NBA Second Team 2.07 Davis, Anthony (LAL) Leonard, Kawhi (LAC) Gobert, Rudy (UTA) Lillard, Damian (POR) Simmons, Ben (PHI)
Smith, Steve Turner 12.56 Defensive Player of the Year 1.93 Davis, Anthony (LAL) Antetokounmpo, Giannis (MIL) Simmons, Ben (PHI) NA NA
Ledlow, Kristen Turner 12.39 Sixth Man of the Year 1.76 Harrell, Montrezl (LAC) Williams, Lou (LAC) Schroder, Dennis (OKC) NA NA
Winer, Matt Turner 12.32 All NBA Second Team 1.82 Leonard, Kawhi (LAC) Tatum, Jayson (BOS) Gobert, Rudy (UTA) Lillard, Damian (POR) Paul, Chris (OKC)
Beck, Howard Bleacher Report 12.26 Most Improved 2.32 Doncic, Luka (DAL) Ingram, Brandon (NOP) Tatum, Jayson (BOS) NA NA
Amick, Sam The Athletic 12.2 Most Improved 2.37 Doncic, Luka (DAL) Ingram, Brandon (NOP) Young, Trae (ATL) NA NA
Hubbarth, Cassidy ESPN 12.16 Most Improved 2.06 Ingram, Brandon (NOP) Tatum, Jayson (BOS) Adebayo, Bam (MIA) NA NA
Velazquez, Matt Milwaukee Journal Sentinel 12.15 All NBA Second Team 1.96 Leonard, Kawhi (LAC) Middleton, Khris (MIL) Jokic, Nikola (DEN) Lillard, Damian (POR) Paul, Chris (OKC)
Himmelsbach, Adam Boston Globe 12.13 All NBA Second Team 1.7 Leonard, Kawhi (LAC) Siakam, Pascal (TOR) Jokic, Nikola (DEN) Lillard, Damian (POR) Westbrook, Russell (HOU)
Breen, Mike ESPN 12.12 Most Improved 1.94 Adebayo, Bam (MIA) Graham, Devonte' (CHA) Wood, Christian (DET) NA NA
Robbins, Josh The Athletic 12.08 Most Improved 1.67 Adebayo, Bam (MIA) Doncic, Luka (DAL) Tatum, Jayson (BOS) NA NA
Hsu, Lisa Tencent 12.02 All NBA Second Team 1.39 Leonard, Kawhi (LAC) Tatum, Jayson (BOS) Jokic, Nikola (DEN) Lillard, Damian (POR) Paul, Chris (OKC)
Ganter, Mike The Toronto Sun 12.01 All NBA Second Team 1.6 Middleton, Khris (MIL) Leonard, Kawhi (LAC) Jokic, Nikola (DEN) Lillard, Damian (POR) Paul, Chris (OKC)
Helin, Kurt NBCSports.com 11.96 Coach of the Year 1.73 Nurse, Nick (Toronto Raptors) Stevens, Brad (Boston Celtics) Budenholzer, Mike (Milwaukee Bucks) NA NA
Harlan, Kevin Turner 11.88 All NBA Second Team 1.61 Butler, Jimmy (MIA) Siakam, Pascal (TOR) Jokic, Nikola (DEN) Doncic, Luka (DAL) Lillard, Damian (POR)
Guillory, Will The Athletic 11.78 All NBA Second Team 1.61 Tatum, Jayson (BOS) Siakam, Pascal (TOR) Jokic, Nikola (DEN) Lillard, Damian (POR) Doncic, Luka (DAL)
Miyaji, Yoko Sports Graphic Number 11.68 All NBA Second Team 1.61 Leonard, Kawhi (LAC) Siakam, Pascal (TOR) Jokic, Nikola (DEN) Paul, Chris (OKC) Butler, Jimmy (MIA)
Sasaki, Chris Rakuten 11.59 All NBA Second Team 1.96 Doncic, Luka (DAL) Middleton, Khris (MIL) Gobert, Rudy (UTA) Paul, Chris (OKC) Lillard, Damian (POR)
Letourneau, Connor San Francisco Chronicle 11.57 All NBA Second Team 1.7 Middleton, Khris (MIL) Doncic, Luka (DAL) Jokic, Nikola (DEN) Paul, Chris (OKC) Lillard, Damian (POR)
Lowe, Zach ESPN 11.44 All NBA Second Team 1.51 Doncic, Luka (DAL) Butler, Jimmy (MIA) Jokic, Nikola (DEN) Paul, Chris (OKC) Lillard, Damian (POR)
Fedor, Chris Cleveland.com 11.23 All NBA Second Team 1.39 Leonard, Kawhi (LAC) Tatum, Jayson (BOS) Jokic, Nikola (DEN) Lillard, Damian (POR) Paul, Chris (OKC)
Burke, Doris ESPN 11.11 All NBA Second Team 1.51 Tatum, Jayson (BOS) Doncic, Luka (DAL) Jokic, Nikola (DEN) Paul, Chris (OKC) Lillard, Damian (POR)
Barnes, Evan Memphis Commercial Appeal 11.09 All NBA Second Team 1.61 Siakam, Pascal (TOR) Leonard, Kawhi (LAC) Jokic, Nikola (DEN) Paul, Chris (OKC) Butler, Jimmy (MIA)
Chiang, Anthony Miami Herald 10.92 All NBA Second Team 1.5 Leonard, Kawhi (LAC) Siakam, Pascal (TOR) Jokic, Nikola (DEN) Lillard, Damian (POR) Butler, Jimmy (MIA)
Kirschner, Chris The Athletic 10.7 Most Improved 1.61 Ingram, Brandon (NOP) Doncic, Luka (DAL) Young, Trae (ATL) NA NA
Iko, Kelly The Athletic 10.69 All NBA Second Team 1.35 Leonard, Kawhi (LAC) Siakam, Pascal (TOR) Jokic, Nikola (DEN) Lillard, Damian (POR) Paul, Chris (OKC)
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2020.09.20 17:37 AndyJPuente That one really detailed post about what to do this off-season:

DISCLAIMER: This took me 6 hours to write. It's gonna be a really long post so strap in. Go grab a snack (or a drink). As a Clippers fan, I'm going to give the franchise some tough love.

THE HARD TRUTHS

THIS FIRST SEASON WITH LEONARD AND GEORGE WAS A FAILURE. And it may significantly hurt our chances at re-signing Leonard and George in 2021. Unless we win the championship next season, or at the very least make the Finals, I would put the chances at re-signing both of these star wing players very low.
THE WESTERN CONFERENCE IS GOING TO BE TOUGHER NEXT SEASON. Now, I can't predict trades or anything of the sort, but it's not an unpopular opinion that the West was fairly weak this season. Going into the playoffs, the bottom teams were...
  1. The Portland Trailblazers - After being injured throughout the entire season and finally being healthy for the first time right before the playoffs. They expected everything to be smooth sailing (sound familiar?) and they were candidates to upset the Lakers until their star Damian Lillard got hurt and CJ McCollum had to play through a back injury.
  2. The Dallas Mavericks - Being led by Luka Doncic in only his second year in the NBA with a Kristaps Porzingis who's been battling injury all throughout the regular season. They also had some other notable losses in Jalen Brunson (injury), Dwight Powell (injury), and Willie Cauley-Stein (dropout of restart). If they had played, our series against them may have gone to 7.
  3. The Utah Jazz - A seemingly fractured relationship between their star players along with a huge injury blow to their 20+ points per game scorer Bojan Bogdanovic. Everyone expected the Jazz to implode upon their entering of the Bubble. Instead they shocked everyone and came out to a commanding lead against the 3 seeded Nuggets, until... Well, you know.
  4. The Oklahoma City Thunder - A 5 seed being led by our boys Chris Paul and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander. This team managed to shock everyone, even their own fans, by making the playoffs this season. They even managed to take the Houston Rockets to 7 games.
Those were the lower seeded teams. All of whom (except maybe OKC) I expect to come back and contend for their same playoff spot or even higher. We also can't forget, next season Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson will make their returns to the Golden State Warriors and who knows who else will join them if they decide to trade their pick.
THE CLIPPERS CURSE IS NOT REAL. We're not cursed, we just sucked. Looking back there was so much about this season that was just unsustainable. We had two huge rotational pieces in Marcus Morris and Reggie Jackson come into the team mid-season, when the original team had less than 48 minutes played together fully healthy. Jackson came in shooting lights out while Morris couldn't find the light switch. Paul George played 48 games this season, Kawhi Leonard played 57. Even though we didn't play the regular 82 games, those numbers are just way too low especially for a team that was just put together and has to develop chemistry.
THE CLIPPERS DIDN'T CARE ENOUGH TO STAY IN SHAPE AFTER THE SEASON GOT SUSPENDED. While LeBron James was organizing 1-on-1 individual workouts with players even with the likes of Jared Dudley, we didn't hear or see anything about what our team was doing. It even became a running joke that Kawhi was just "recharging" and that's why we didn't hear from him. These guys went back to living their normal lives during the pandemic which, to a point, I understand. But, while you and I stayed and worked from home or risked getting the virus to provide for our families, these players who make substantially more than we do (like Khris Middleton) openly admitted to not even picking up a basketball during the postponement and where are they now? They couldn't even buy one of those hoops you get from Target to throw up shots before dinner.
THEY ALL WANTED TO LEAVE FOR A REASON. If you guys remember there was this report saying that the Clippers were for cancelling the rest of the season. Of course, the Lakers were also behind this, especially LeBron James, but no one is going to remember them being involved in this especially if they win the NBA title this season. Although this is complete speculation, it's hard not to believe that some of our roster wanted to leave because they knew this season wasn't going to work out for us and that they were not physically prepared for the restart.
HARRELL AND WILLIAMS DIDN'T WANNA BE THERE. Harrell had just lost his grandmother and Lou his grandfather and both of them seemed incredibly out of rhythm and out of focus during every single game since their respective returns. I can't imagine either of these guys had playing basketball at the top of their list of priorities.
GUYS WERE OUT OF SHAPE. Remember Kawhi in the first 3 warm-up games? The media overreacted saying things like "How will a Kawhi Leonard averaging 8 points per game help lead the Clippers to the Finals?" Well, they were sorta right. If you told me that during the entire postponement of the NBA that no one on the Clippers picked up a basketball I wouldn't even be surprised. Guys were rusty. Like really really rusty. And I'm not even saying it as an excuse for them, I'm saying this to place a little blame on them. As Patrick Beverley once said to Jared Dudley on Twitter, basketball is a full-time full-year sport you have to stay ready and in shape 24/7, 365.
EVERYONE GAVE UP. I saw it, you saw it, the world saw it. Once the Clippers got down 7 at the end of the 3rd quarter their body language completely shifted. They accepted defeat when the game was still well within reach. I could tell by the looks on their faces that they were just following whatever defensive schemes that were drawn up even though they knew it wouldn't work. In the 3rd they finally decided to double Jokic, but, by cheating off Murray, we left him wide-open essentially helping him score his series high 40 points against us. We're supposed to be hounds, that night we were three-legged chihuahuas.
WE'VE LOST THE 18-19 CLIPPERS HEART. There's a different feeling when you're the underdog because expectations are low and if you go even slightly above them you feel great. Just ask the Phoenix Suns or the Miami Heat this season. We took the Kevin Durant led Warriors to 6 games as an 8th seed and even though we lost, we were incredible. Now, we just closed out our first season as title contenders with incredible disappointment. Unable to make it to even the NBA's 2nd highest stage. There WILL be a point next season when this team is unrecognizable from the 18-19 roster. We have to accept that.

WHAT DO THEY DO NOW?

WE'RE IN A TOUGH SPOT. No 1st round draft picks. Little assets of value outside of the top 2 guys. So that leaves us with very little options, but I'm still gonna try to find some stuff we can do.
KAWHI LEONARD NEEDS TO START REHABBING LIKE... YESTERDAY. There were more games where Kawhi looked a step slow than there were games where he looked to be playing up to his namesake. He needs to start doing rehab and getting some cartilage shots in his knee to help him get back to form. This off-season will be a short one with the league expected to restart during Christmas and still play a grueling 82 games. We shouldn't expect Leonard to not load manage at all, but we should try our best to keep it to a minimum.
PAUL GEORGE NEEDS TO GO TO A SPORTS PSYCHOLOGIST. I don't want to be that guy to diagnose other people with mental barriers, but you have to assume that George does have some form of "stage fright," right? When the games matter the most he tends to shrink under the pressure. This happened last season when he was a member of the Thunder in a game 7 against the Jazz. I know a trend when I see one and George, as our 2nd option, cannot fold in those high pressure environments especially if we hope to win a championship with these two.
DOC RIVERS NEEDS TO BE FIRED. Yeah, it's easy to blame the coach for blowing a 3-1 lead, but Rivers now owns 23% of all blown 3-1 leads in the NBA's entire history. That kind of reputation shouldn't be welcome on any championship level team. Not to mention, Rivers was thoroughly out-coached in both series we played this season and refused to make major adjustments. His biggest adjustment in a game 7 in the semi-finals was to play another guy more minutes (Reggie Jackson) instead of tightening the rotation down to 7 maybe 8 guys. Obviously, we shouldn't fire him unless we can for sure get an upgrade at that position AND someone who has a plan of how to properly utilize our roster to its highest potential.

ADDRESSING THE PERSONNEL PROBLEMS

Our roster is looking pretty thin going into this off-season with only 9 of our 15 guys assured to return (3 of whom played less than 200 total minutes this season). So, to put it bluntly, we have 6 key guys on the books for next season: Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Lou Williams, Patrick Beverley, Ivica Zubac and Landry Shamet. Only one of those players is over 6'9" that being Zubac.
While the game has been leaning toward undersized 4s (Jayson Tatum, Robert Covington, etc.) and the 4s who are over 6'10" (i.e. Anthony Davis, Giannis Antetokounmpo, etc.) eventually playing center in the playoffs we somehow managed to be even more undersized than that.
With Harrell playing a bulk of the minutes at center, that leaves us with someone who is 6'7" guarding guys like Jokic, Adams, Gobert, Embiid, Porzingis, etc. in crunch time which is anything but ideal. Yes, he has the strength to do it, but not the size to contest any center with a half decent passing game or mid-range/three-point shot. Another factor that plays into us being so small, is our other 6th man of the year, Lou Williams.
When our 2nd unit (Jackson-Williams-Shamet-Green-Harrell) was in, we were smaller than the Houston Rockets! We essentially had 3 guards coming off our bench this season: Reggie Jackson, Lou Williams, and Landry Shamet. Since all 3 of these guys were good enough to play minutes, they played the positions they were listed in: the 1, the 2, and the 3. This would be okay if Shamet or Reggie had some kind of defensive element to their game, but they don't. Not at this stage in their careers. We wondered why we continually lost leads when this version of our bench came into the game and it's because the defensive pressure became a lot less intense and our length all went to sit and rest. Even when one of George or Leonard stayed in with that unit, the rest of the lineup were such huge defensive liabilities that it cancelled out anything our two stars did. That cannot and should not happen next season.

OUR FREE AGENTS

Free Agents:
  1. C Montrezl Harrell
  2. PF Marcus Morris
  3. PG Reggie Jackson
  4. PF JaMychal Green (Player Option)
  5. PF Patrick Patterson
  6. C Joakim Noah (Non-Guaranteed)
Taking into account what we talked about in the last section, it's pretty obvious what we should do, but the question is can we feasibly get all these things done in a single off-season? I'll be highlighting what we should do with each of our free agents.
MONTREZL HARRELL ($43.5M/3YR). Lets start by addressing the elephant in the room. In recent years, the most successful teams with undersized centers have had elite three-point shooting. We don't have that and aren't close to that level, so there is no reason for us to have a center like Harrell. He should go to a team that has that. Now, losing him for nothing is not ideal so we should try to get whatever we can for him, no matter how little it may be. That's why I'm recommending we sign-and-trade C Montrezl Harrell. This'll be a bit hard, since his value went down in the bubble he won't be expecting his projected $20M+ per season this off-season, I have one lucky team getting him for $14M per season.
As some of you may know, sign-and-trades can only be done with the attached player (so for example we can't attach McGruder to a Harrell trade to match salaries). Here is the trade I have in mind:
Los Angeles Clippers Portland Trailblazers
Rodney Hood [$6M/1YR] Montrezl Harrell [$43.5M/3YR]
2020 2nd Round Pick
2021 1st Round Pick [Top 10 Protected]
Now, hear me out. Obviously this trade makes sense for the Portland Trailblazers. Whiteside was a proven liability on both ends in the playoffs and now you get a guy with a motor that can play behind Jusuf Nurkic when need be and he is also insurance in case Nurkic, Collins, etc. were to get hurt again. The Blazers also have Lillard and McCollum on deck through at least 2025 and their 3-point shooting isn't going anywhere especially with the sudden emergence of Gary Trent Jr.. They'd provide great spacing for Harrell and could make excellent use of his inside presence.
Why do we do this? Well you're probably wondering why we're taking Hood in return when we have guys like Lou and Shamet already locked into the roster. That should give you a hint of what'll be in the next section... Firstly, we only do this is it is proven that Hood is 100% healthy. But the reasoning here is that we get an actual SF to backup Kawhi Leonard and Paul George who shot 49.3% from 3 this season before his injury. Yeah, the return isn't great, but we do get a serviceable role player who's contract expires at the same time as Leonard and George's (preparing for the worst) as well as renewing our anemic draft pick stockpile.
Another slightly less realistic trade would be...
Los Angeles Clippers Detroit Pistons
Derrick Rose [$7.6M/1YR] Montrezl Harrell [$43.5M/3YR]
2021 2nd Round Pick [via LAL]
The only reason I say this is less realistic is because the Pistons don't really have a need for a win-now guy like Harrell, but if they lose out on Christian Wood and/or draft a guard in the draft like Killian Hayes, then they'll appreciate a guy like Harrell especially since Detroit isn't exactly a free agent hot-spot. Harrell also isn't old, he's only 26 years old. We also know how much Dwayne Casey loves his bench guys. Rose averaged 5.6 assists last season coming off the bench with the Pistons and would be an immediate remedy to our playmaking issues, but I personally don't think this trade happens.
MARCUS MORRIS ($16M/1+1 PO YR). Okay, so... I know the Clippers are generally disliked no matter what we do, but you have to admit that the hate is better when it's unwarranted vs when they actually have a reason... and Morris kinda gives them a reason. Although, I expect him to return more humbled and ready to play than ever. So I say, re-sign Marcus Morris. He won't be cheap, but if he sees the potential of this team and front office I think he takes the deal. The player option allows him to leave if George and Leonard do in 2021.
REGGIE JACKSON ($4M/1YR). I think Reggie takes this deal is because of what happened this post-season. The dude got a game-winning shot hit over him and then got benched for being a defensive liability. Not that I necessarily want him back, but I think he returns purely based on the fact that he is friends with Paul George. He also would be good in the almost inevitable event Patrick Beverley or other guard gets injured and has to miss 10-15 straight games.
JAMYCHAL GREEN (OPTS IN, $5M/1YR). I see no reason Green doesn't opt in unless he feels really out of place here or he thinks he can make bank somewhere else. The free agency market this off-season will be full of 4s and 5s and the postponement may negatively affect the cap space for every team. So much so that guys such as Aron Baynes, Tristan Thompson, and Derrick Favors will be signing longer deals, but only for a little bit more than Green makes right now and, talent wise, Green isn't up to their level.
PATRICK PATTERSON ($0M/0YR). I think it's time we let Patterson walk. He barely plays for us and those comments he made about hating the restart of the season along with critiquing the rescheduling of the LAL/LAC game after Kobe Bryant's death got us a lot of hate for a dude who just doesn't play minutes to be worth the trouble or reputation. He also lost his title of "The Davis Stopper." Goodbye, Patterson. It's been fun.
JOAKIM NOAH ($1.7M/1YR). We guarantee his deal. The man did great in his previous season with the Memphis Grizzlies for the amount of minutes he played and is just a great energy guy to have around.

REALISTIC FREE AGENCY SIGNINGS

Urgent Needs:
  1. Forward depth. Duh.
  2. Play-making guard who's capable on defense. From Parker to Lowry, Leonard has always had a half-decent defensive guard who can move the ball around. Leonard had the ball in his hand way too much this season with little distribution help. He was our leading assist getter in the playoffs.
  3. Defensive-minded center with size, length and durability. If you're over 6'10 with a decent wingspan and can play more than 30mpg please come on down.
  4. A new coach with championship, or even conference-winning, experience.
After the aforementioned signings/trades, we won't have a lot of cap space to work with and this is what our roster would look like:
PG SG SF PF C
P. Beverley P. George K. Leonard M. Morris I. Zubac
R. Jackson L. Williams R. Hood J. Green J. Noah
T. Mann R. McGruder L. Shamet M. Kabengele
14 of our 15 roster spots have been filled, but I don't plan on all of these guys staying (*DUN DUN DUN*). These are the free agents I think we should target during this off-season:
SERGE IBAKA [OFFER OUR MLE: $8.9M/1YR]. Okay, so this one isn't exactly "realistic" just because of the price that Ibaka will demand and after the run that Raptors had in the post-season he may want to remain loyal to the franchise. However, if Kawhi Leonard still has any connections to him, he may be able to convince Ibaka to take a short term deal in exchange for being our starting center as opposed to playing 22 minutes per game off the bench for the Raptors. Yes, I know. We have Zubac, but Ibaka is more experienced and will give the starting lineup the ability to play a 5-out offense which is very necessary in today's NBA. Not to mention his athleticism and defense would be very welcome.
ARON BAYNES [OFFER: $11.0M/1+1YR]. Okay, so this one isn't exactly "realistic" either, but we should try to at least get a meeting with him and pitch him the role of the 3-point, floor spacing, starting center. While Baynes isn't exactly notable for his defense at age 33, his floor spacing alone should give reason for him to start over Zubac. Especially when you see that our bench unit is already full of capable 3-point shooters.
ANDRE ROBERSON [OFFER: $5M/2YR]. I think we have the ability to be one of the best defensive teams in the NBA. With Kawhi Leonard and Paul George on the same team that goal should be well within reach, but when one sits we suddenly put immense pressure on George or Leonard to pick up the defensive slack for Jackson, Williams, Shamet, etc. It's too much. With Hood on the court at SG alongside one of George or Leonard at PF, Roberson would come in at SF to provide some defensive burden relief. I know he's not great offensively, but we have a lot of offense as is.
JAMES ENNIS [OFFER $6.0M/2YR]. Pretty much the same reasoning as Roberson, except Ennis is a bit more adept at scoring than Roberson.
I'm not gonna lie to you... that's about it for our free agent targets. Everyone else is either really unrealistic, wouldn't fit with our current style of play, or play positions that we already have in spades. Not to mention, a lot of the free agents right now are from teams that are exceeding expectations like the Miami Heat and Denver Nuggets so they'll either re-sign with the teams they're on or seek a payday that we can't give them.
If we get the free agents we can realistically sign this is what our depth chart would look like:
PG SG SF PF C
P. Beverley P. George K. Leonard M. Morris S. Ibaka/A. Baynes
R. Jackson R. Hood A. Roberson/J. Ennis J. Green I. Zubac
T. Mann L. Williams L. Shamet J. Noah
R. McGruder M. Kabengele
16 out of 15 spots are taken. For now...

REALISTIC (POTENTIAL) TRADES

Here's the sweet part. Probably what everyone who's made it this far has been waiting for: The trades. Now, like I said in the beginning, we don't have many desirable assets apart from George and Leonard and there's no way we give up on those two already, so we're left to look at everyone else. As you can see from the most recent table we have a bit of a log jam at the PG, SG and SF spots so that's where we'll be looking to clear people out of first.
TRADE #1:
Los Angeles Clippers Golden State Warriors
Rodney McGruder 2022 2nd Round Pick [via TOR]
Yeah, nothing too exciting to start off. Here both the Warriors and the Clippers benefit. The Clippers get rid of McGruder's $5M/1YR contract and the Warriors, who are even more cash strapped than us, get a player they can actually give minutes to in the regular season as a backup guard given the fact that Jordan Poole and other rookie/undrafted/minimum contract guys they tested last season didn't exactly pan out.
TRADE #2:
[DISCLAIMER: This trade only happens under very specific circumstances that I will explain below. If those circumstances are not met, there's almost no way this happens.]
Los Angeles Clippers Indiana Pacers
Malcolm Brogdon Patrick Beverley
Lou Williams
Now, before you roast me, hear me out. The only way this happens is if during Indiana's coaching job search they land somebody who likes running a deeper bench. If they hire someone like D'Antoni who likes playing 7-9 guys during the regular season and then 6-7 guys during the playoffs this will not happen. It also depends on how much stock the Pacers' front office put into their sweep to Miami sans Domantas Sabonis, and Victor Oladipo's looming free agency.
If they believe they have a shot of re-signing Oladipo and he has expressed interest in staying and winning with the team this is a move they can make. Malcolm Brogdon averaged 16 points, 5 rebounds, and 7 assists for the Pacers last season in 30mpg and shooting 32% from 3. While those numbers are impressive, the eye-popping number is his games played this season which was 54. For context, there were 73 regular season games. He played less games than Ben Simmons (57) who had to have season-ending surgery before the playoffs even began.
Availability is the best ability and with guys who are prone to miss games like Sabonis (11 missed), Lamb (27 missed), Oladipo (54 missed), etc. having other skillful bodies could help them in the 82 game long run and allow Oladipo and Lamb to occasionally rest coming off surgeries and Sabonis coming off rehab. Their only player who didn't miss a single game was Justin Holiday who is a free agent expected to get multiple nice offers this off-season.
In the last game of the post-season, Indiana lost 87-99 to the Miami Heat. In that game, 3 starters combined to score 68 points. Their bench? Scored 3 points. The lights proved too bright for rookie Aaron Holiday and McMillan seemingly refused to play TJ McConnell in that series because of his lack of defense and offensive inconsistency. They needed a scoring boost off the bench and Lou Williams provides just that. The acquisition of Patrick Beverley over Malcolm Brogdon allows Oladipo to become the primary ball handler again. Beverley would also take on defensive guard assignments Oladipo may not be ready for coming off his surgery.
The Pacers were 26th in total 3-point attempts this season. While some of that has to do with McMillan's coaching, it also largely has to do with their personnel. Two of their top three scorers in TJ Warren and Domantas Sabonis operate almost exclusively inside the arc or in the paint and are less effective when you move them outside of their respective zones. Brogdon also prefers to shoot mid-range shots and drive to the basket over settling for threes. By replacing Brogdon, a 32.6% 3-point shooter on 4.3 3PA per game, with Patrick Beverley, a 38.8% 3-point shooter on 4.0 3PA per game, and Lou Williams, a 35.2% 3-point shooter on 4.8 3PA per game, they'd presumably open up the inside for TJ Warren and Domantas Sabonis.
The Clippers in this case get a 6'6" PG who is very capable on switches and averaged 7 assists per game with a defensive rating nearly equaling that of Chris Paul's this season. His ball handling will really enhance the games of both Kawhi Leonard and Paul George. Sure, he may miss more games than Beverley or Lou would have, but with Reggie Jackson as our backup, we can probably afford to rest him here and there. A decent risk comes with this trade. Brogdon may be perpetually injured and continue to regress quickly and his availability, athleticism, and defensive prowess all take large hits in the process, but if he can stay healthy and return to his Milwaukee Bucks form, we could have one of the smartest point guards in the league commanding our offense.
TRADE #3:
[DISCLAIMER: This trade would only happen if trade #2 didn't. If #3 happens, #2 won't.]
Los Angeles Clippers New Orleans Pelicans
Lonzo Ball Lou Williams
The reasoning is sorta the same here as it is for the Brogdon trade. There have been rumors circulating that Ball has grown disinterested with the Pelicans and that he's expected to request a trade this upcoming off-season. During the last 8 regular season games, Ball averaged 8.5 points, 5.0 rebounds and 6.8 assists in 30.5 minutes played. He shot 32.5% from 3, but 34.5% from the field and came up short whenever his team needed him the most.
If he does outwardly request a trade that, following his poor performance in the bubble and considering his expiring deal will allow him to be acquired for cheap. A Lonzo Ball for Lou Williams deal may make sense in this case. The acquisition of Lou Williams would really boost New Orleans' bench output and if they use their 13th overall pick on the guard they are expected to draft, Cole Anthony, they will have an immediate replacement for Ball. It would give them a starting lineup of Jrue Holiday, JJ Redick, Brandon Ingram, Zion Williamson, and whichever center they choose to sign in free agency. That would give them a bench unit of Cole Anthony, Josh Hart, Lou Williams, Nicolo Melli, and Jaxson Hayes. Pretty lethal shooting and play-making to surround Zion Williamson with.
Unlike the former trade, we would not give up Patrick Beverley which would make Reggie Jackson more of a 3rd string point guard like he was in the playoffs. Unless Ball and Beverley play some minutes together which I probably wouldn't recommend. So if we do somehow acquire Lonzo Ball and retain Patrick Beverley, we probably should not re-sign Reggie Jackson.
Acquiring Lonzo Ball would be huge for us. He would really push the pace of this team and get Leonard and George incredibly open looks. Ball's passing was a big reason why Zion Williamson looked like a superstar last season. Pair that passing guard with a superstar like Kawhi Leonard and Paul George, and he'll make them the best duo in the league. Not to mention his defensive rating this season was just 0.02 worse than Brogdon.
TRADE #4:
[DISCLAIMER: If this trade were to happen, the aforementioned ones wouldn't.]
Los Angeles Clippers Houston Rockets
Russell Westbrook Lou Williams
Patrick Beverley
Rodney McGruder
I'll be the first to say it, I'm not a huge fan of this trade. Russell Westbrook, coming off two seasons of averaging a triple double, paired up with James Harden in Houston and his game took a significant dip. Not to mention he missed a lot more games due to injury this season. Now, to be fair, between the two of them Harden would certainly command the more usage as he is the better player which would, in turn, negatively impact Westbrook's production.
However, Houston specifically constructed their roster to fit Westbrook and Harden's games. They traded away their C Clint Capela for SF/PF Robert Covington before the trade deadline in order to open up the driving lanes for Westbrook. Even though they adjusted for him, he was no where to be seen during their playoff series against the Los Angeles Lakers unless it included running head first into the paint and subsequently turning the ball over. Essentially being outplayed by Rajon Rondo coming off the Laker bench.
The perspective of Westbrook's game has severely shifted in the last two seasons, as it is now universally expected for guards to be knockdown 3-point shooters which Westbrook is incapable of doing at this stage of his career. Even his ball-handling has taken a bit of a step back this season (although that only may be because he was no longer the primary ball-handler in Houston's offense). However, his level of distribution is something we desperately need to open the game for Paul George and Kawhi Leonard. As long as Doc Rivers, or whichever coach we have next season, doesn't leave Westbrook standing on the perimeter he could probably preform better than he did in Houston.
We could theoretically have a point guard that owns the paint, a small forward who owns the mid-range, and a shooting guard who's usually money from three. As long as Westbrook knows and accepts his role and isn't trying to chuck 3-pointers and mid-range turnaround bank shots in crunch time he could be the best 3rd option in the league. Not to mention, before Kawhi Leonard signed with us, Westbrook and George were nearly traded to Toronto in an effort to keep Leonard up north. That was before we stepped in with a better offer for just Paul George. So if we're worried about having a foundation to keep Leonard after 2021 this could do it.
In this case, Beverley and Williams return to Houston after a quick layover in LA. Already familiar with the system and how to play with Harden, this would be a quick fit together and an opportunity for them to get off the contract of Westbrook if they believe he is going to regress and become a negative asset. If Houston believes we are underselling them on Westbrook they may ask for Shamet or Green to be included in the deal in place of McGruder. Either way, Houston gets to surround Harden with more efficient 3-point shooters and, with the recent firing of their head coach Mike D'Antoni, they could scrap the small ball method altogether and sign one of the many available mid-tier centers in this free agency.

FINAL DEPTH CHART

PG SG SF PF C
M. Brogdon/L. Ball [6'6"]/R. Westbrook [6'4"] P. George [6'9"] K. Leonard [6'7"] M. Morris [6'9"] S. Ibaka/A. Baynes [7'0"]
R. Jackson [6'0"] L. Shamet [6'4"] R. Hood [6'8"] J. Green [6'9"] I. Zubac [7'1"]
T. Mann [6'6"] A. Roberson/J. Ennis [6'7"] J. Noah [6'11"]
M. Kabengele [6'9"]
Obviously this is only 14 of an available 15 roster spots, so I believe the last one will be used to elevate one of our two-way guys. Perhaps Amir Coffey to fill in that 3rd string SF spot.
Yeah it looks a bit shakier than our roster did last season. There's no Williams or Harrell to shoulder the whole load of the bench scoring for us, but maybe that's for the better. When we have 2 options off the bench who can score 20 points per game any given night, that takes way too much offensive pressure off Paul George and Kawhi Leonard. Watching the Clippers play, sometimes I had the feeling that George and Leonard began to slack and start to think "Eh, Lou and Trez are about to come in, they'll score for us for sure." And vice versa, occasionally it felt like if Lou and Trez started stinking it up during their first bench run, they started thinking "Well, George and Leonard are the stars of this team they'll get us back into this." I want Kawhi and Paul to bring it offensively and defensively every single night they play and not sit back and score 11 points and 14 points cause Trez and Lou combined for 53.
I want Kawhi Leonard to average 29 ppg 8 rpg, 2bpg and 2spg next season. I want Paul George to average 28 ppg, 2 spg and shoot 45% from 3. Brogdon and Morris can split the 3rd overall scoring role and, along with Ibaka, can be our defensive help. I want Brogdon to come in and average 14 ppg with 9 apg. I want Morris and Hood to come in and help take defensive pressure off Kawhi and George by taking tough assignments every night. I want Reggie and Shamet to provide just a bit of scoring and 3-point shooting off the bench. I want the Zu and Ibaka duo to be an opposing center's worst headache. When we need to go small, I want JMyke to be as aggressive as ever and eat the boards alive and hit every open three he can. This roster restructure would be a huge improvement.

THE POSITIVES

Even though we lost in one of the most horrid ways imaginable, the season has come to an end. We can turn the page. We look at the Lakers where LeBron James will have to likely play until the end of October and then pick it right back up again at the end of December to play a full 82 games at age 36. We talk about his age a lot, but eventually it will catch up to him. LeBron James is used to 5 months between the Finals and opening day, but now there will only likely be 2-2.5 months with the startup expected for Christmas Day. Davis also played over 85% of total regular season games for only the third time in his eight-year career which is something I don't expect to happen consistently given how injury prone he is. The Lakers over-preformed.
This season will serve as a lesson. After all the talk and media hype about how we should be the favorites, almost no one will pick us to win the whole thing next season especially with Curry and Durant coming back next season. We will be underdogs once again. We will have that chip on our shoulder and, if the roster changes I've recommended come to pass, we will have our defensive identity back.
We took the regular season for granted and the results absolutely kicked our asses. We had almost no chemistry heading into the post-season. We had a total of 11 games played together when fully healthy and that really showed. We ended up with the 2nd seed playing the league's #1 offense in the first round in a series that went to 6 without some of their best role players and then having to face the best center in the NBA and 3-point sniper in the 2nd round. Ideally we should have faced the Portland team that played as many games healthy as we did and then followed it up by playing a Houston team that our defensive dynamic duo and Harrell would've eaten alive.
In the end, another season is in the books and unlike last off-season, we won't have the "will they? won't they?" stress that came along with who was going to sign Kawhi Leonard. We got our main guys. Now we just have to put the right pieces around them. We have one of the best front offices with the GOAT Jerry West commanding the ship and the richest owner in the NBA in Steve Ballmer who should surely be more than willing to dip into the luxury tax to improve the roster. Lets look ahead to 2021, Clipper Nation!
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2020.09.13 13:48 finnagains ‘Nomadland’ Wins Golden Lion Award at Venice Film Festival - Acting awards went to Vanessa Kirby and Pierfrancesco Favino at the scaled-down festival (The Wrap) 12 Sept 2020

“Nomadland” has received the Golden Lion Award as the best film of the 2020 Venice International Film Festival, a jury headed by Cate Blanchett announced on Saturday.
The Searchlight drama, a simultaneous premiere by the Venice, Telluride and Toronto festivals, was directed by Chloe Zhao and stars Frances McDormand as a woman who travels through the American West in a van after losing her job and her home. Apart from McDormand and David Strathairn, almost all of the actors in the film are actual “nomads” that Zhao cast on her own travels through the area.
“Nuevo Orden” (“New Order”) by Mexican director Michel Franco won the Silver Lion, the festival’s second-place award, while acting prizes went to Vanessa Kirby for “Pieces of a Woman” and Pierfrancesco Favino for “Padrenostro.”
Kiyoshi Kurosawa was named the festival’s best director for “Wife of a Spy.”
Also Read: Fall Film Festivals Struggle for Relevance in the Year of Coronavirus
Ahmad Bahrami’s “The Wasteland” won the award as the best film in the festival’s Orizzonti section, while Ana Rocha de Sousa’s “Listen” won the Orizzonti jury prize and the award as the best first film at the festival.
In the more than 70 years the Venice Film Festival has been in existence, the winner of its top award has only gone on to be nominated for the Oscar for Best Picture six times — but three of those took place in the last three years, with “The Shape of Water,” “Roma” and “Joker.” Only two films, “The Shape of Water” and Laurence Olivier’s 1948 film version of “Hamlet,” have won the Golden Lion and the Best Picture Oscar.
This year’s Venice Film Festival was scaled down over previous years, with socially-distanced screenings and smaller attendance from outside Europe. Venice was the first major festival to attempt a physical event, after festivals including South by Southwest, Tribeca, Cannes and Karlovy Vary canceled or went completely virtual.
Also Read: 'Pieces of a Woman' Film Review: Vanessa Kirby, Shia LaBeouf Explore Shades of Grief
In addition to Blanchett, the competition jury consisted of actors Matt Dillon and Ludivine Sagnier, writer-directors Veronika Franz, Joanna Hogg and Christian Petzold and writer Nicola Lagioia.
Additional prizes were presented by other juries headed by director Claire Denis, writer-director-musician Claudio Giovannesi and VR storyteller Celine Tricart.
In collateral Venice awards also announced on Saturday, winners included “Pieces of a Woman,” “Notturno,” “The Disciple,” “Nomadland” and “City Hall.”
Also Read: 'Nomadland' Film Review: Frances McDormand Hits the Road in Quiet, Lyrical Drama
Here is the full list of jury winners and collateral winners:
JURY AWARDS
Golden Lion for Best Film: “Nomadland,” Chloe Zhao Silver Lion (Grand Jury Prize): “Nuevo Orden” (“New Order”), Michel Franco Silver Lion for Best Director: Kiyoshi Kurosawa, “Wife of a Spy” Coppa Volpi for Best Actor: Pierfrancesco Favino, “Padrenostro” Coppa Volpi for Best Actress: Vanessa Kirby, “Pieces of a Woman” Award for Best Screenplay: Chaitanya Tamhane, “The Disciple” Special Jury Prize: “Dear Comrades,” Andrei Konchalovsky Marcello Mastroianni Award for Best New Young Actor or Actress: Rouhallah Zamani, “Sun Children”
Orizzonti Award for Best Film: “The Wasteland,” Ahmad Bahrami Orizzonti Award for Best Director: Lav Diaz, “Genus Pan” Special Orizzonti Jury Prize: “Listen,” Ana Rocha de Sousa Orizzonti Award for Best Actor: Yahya Mahayni, “The Man Who Sold His Skin” Orizzonti Award for Best Actress: Khansa Batma, “Zanka Contact” Orizzonti Award for Best Screenplay: “Pietro Castellitto, “I Predatori” Orizzonti Award for Best Short Film: “Entre tu y Milagros,” Mariana Saffon
Lion of the Future – “Luigi De Laurentiis” Award for a Debut Film: “Listen,” Ana Rocha de Sousa
Grand Jury Prize for Best VR Immersive Work: “The Hangman at Home: An Immersive Single User Experience,” Michelle & Uri Kranot Best VR Immersive User Experience: “Finding Pandora X,” Kiira Benzing Best VR Immersive Story: “Sha Si Da Ming Xing” (“Killing a Superstar”), Fan Fan
COLLATERAL AWARDS
ARCA CinemaGiovani Award Best Film of Venezia 77: “Pieces of a Woman” by Kornél Mundruczó Best Italian Film in Venice: “Notturno” by Gianfranco Rosi
Brian Award: “Quo Vadis, Aida?” by Jasmila Žbanić
Casa Wabi – Mantarraya Award: “Listen,” Ana Rocha de Sousa
Edipo Re Award: “The Man Who Sold His Skin” by Kaouther Ben Hania
Premio Fondazione Fai Persona Lavoro Ambiente: “Dashte Khamoush” (“The Wasteland”) by Ahmad Bahrami Special Mention (treatment of issues related to environment): “Śniegu Juz Nigdy Nie Bedzie” (“Never Gonna Snow Again”) by Małgorzata Szumowska, codirected: Michał Englert ex aequo with “Kitoboy” (“The Whaler Boy”) by Philipp Yuryev Special Mention (treatment of issues related to work): “Dorogie Tovarischi!” (“Dear Comrades!”) by Andrei Konchalovsky
Fanheart3 Award Graffetta d’Oro for Best Film: “Saint-Narcisse” by Bruce LaBruce Nave d’Argento for Best OTP: “The World to Come” by Mona Fastvold VR Fan Experience: “Baba Yaga” by Eric Darnell, Mathias Chelebourg VR Special Mention: “The Metamovie Presents: Alien Rescue” by Jason Moore
FEDIC Award Best Film: “Miss Marx” by Susanna Nicchiarelli Special Mention FEDIC: “Assandira” by Salvatore Mereu Special Mention FEDIC for Best Short Film: “Finis Terrae” by Tommaso Frangini
FIPRESCI Award: “The Disciple” by Chaitanya Tamhane Best Film from Orizzonti and parallel sections: “Dashte Khamoush (“The Wasteland”) by Ahmad Bahrami
Francesco Pasinetti Award Best Film: “Le Sorelle Macaluso” by Emma Dante Best Actor: Alessandro Gassman for the film “Non odiare” by Mauro Mancini Best Actress: the cast of “Le Sorelle Macaluso”
GdA Director’s Award: “Kitoboy” by Philipp Yuryev
Europa Cinemas Label Award: “Oaza” (“Oasis”) by Ivan Ikić
BNL Gruppo BNP Paribas People’s Choice Award: “200 Meters” by Ameen Nayfeh
HFPA Award To the filmmakers (directors, producers) from the Orizzonti section awarded for Best Film, Best Director and Special Jury Prize.
Lanterna Magica Award: “Khorshid” (“Sun Children”) by Majid Majidi
Leoncino d’Oro Award: “Nuevo Orden” by Michel Franco Cinema for UNICEF: “Notturno” by Gianfranco Rosi
Lizzani Award: “Le Sorelle Macaluso” by Emma Dante
Nuovoimaie Talent Award Best New Young Actor: Luka Zunic Best New Young Actress: Eleonora de Luca
La Pellicola d’Oro Award Best Production Manager: Cristian Peritore for the film “Le sorelle Macaluso” by Emma Dante Best Head of camera and electrical department: Raffaele Alletto for the film “Padrenostro” by Claudio Noce Best Dressmaker: Paola Seghetti for the film “Miss Marx” by Susanna Nicchiarelli
Queer Lion Award: “The World to Come” by Mona Fastvold
RB Casting Award: Linda Caridi for the film “Lacci” by Daniele Luchetti
Grand Prize Venice International Film Critic’s Week: “Hayaletler” (“Ghosts”) by Azra Deniz Okyay
Verona Film Club Award: “Pohani Dorogy” (“Bad Roads”) by Natalya Vorozhbit
Mario Serandrei: “Topside” by Celine Held and Logan George
Award for Best Short Film [email protected] 2020: “J’Ador” by Simone Bozzelli Award for Best Director [email protected] 2020: “Le Mosche” by Edgardo Pistone Award for Best Technical Contribution [email protected] 2020: “Gas Station” by Olga Torrico
SIGNIS Award: “Quo Vadis, Aida?” by Jasmila Žbanić Special Mention: “Nomadland” by Chloé Zhao
“Sorriso diverso” Award Best Italian Film: “No Odiare” by Mauro Mancini ex aequo with “Notturno” by Gianfranco Rosi Best Foreign Film: “Listen” by Ana Rocha De Sousa ex aequo with “Selva Tragica” by Yulene Olaizola Il viaggio turismo Enit: “Padrenostro” by Claudio Noce
Premio Soundtrack Stars Award Best Soundtrack: “Miss Marx” by Susanna Nicchiarelli; music by Gatto Ciliegia contro il Grande Freddo Lifetime Achievement Award: Giorgio Moroder musica&cinema Special Price: Diodato
Premio UNIMED: “Quo Vadis, Aida?” by Jasmila Žbanić
Premio Fair Play al Cinema – Vivere da Sportivi: “Nomadland” by Chloé Zhao Special Mention: “City Hall” by Frederick Wiseman
https://www.thewrap.com/nomadland-wins-golden-lion-award-at-venice-film-festival/
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2020.09.06 16:35 BlueJaysBaseball Game Thread: September 6 - Toronto Blue Jays (21-18) @ Boston Red Sox (14-27) - 1:35 PM

Blue Jays (21-18) @ Red Sox (14-27)

First Pitch: 1:35 PM at Fenway Park
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Blue Jays Robbie Ray (1-4, 7.34 ERA) SNET SN590
Red Sox Andrew Triggs (0-2, 16.20 ERA) NESN WEEI, WCCM 1490 (ES)
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Line Score - Game Over

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E
TOR 0 0 1 0 6 3 0 0 0 10 15 1
BOS 3 0 0 1 0 1 0 3 0 8 10 0

Box Score

BOS AB R H RBI BB SO BA TOR AB R H RBI BB SO BA
RF Muñoz 1 0 1 0 0 0 .476 CF Biggio 5 0 1 2 1 2 .252
2B Araúz 1 2 0 0 3 1 .240 SS Villar 3 0 1 0 3 1 .250
C Vázquez 5 0 0 0 0 2 .256 1B Guerrero Jr. 5 1 0 0 1 3 .250
SS Bogaerts 5 2 2 2 0 0 .281 DH Tellez 6 2 3 1 0 1 .295
RF Martinez, J 5 0 0 0 0 1 .227 3B Shaw, T 5 2 1 0 1 0 .239
C Plawecki 3 1 2 3 0 1 .354 LF Gurriel Jr. 6 2 4 1 0 0 .290
P Brasier 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 2B Panik 3 1 2 2 2 0 .270
PH Verdugo 1 0 0 0 0 0 .311 C Joseph 5 1 1 2 0 1 .200
P Walden 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 C Jansen, D 0 0 0 0 0 0 .148
1B Chavis 3 1 2 0 2 0 .234 RF Fisher 4 1 2 2 1 2 .250
CF Bradley Jr. 5 0 1 0 0 2 .254
3B Dalbec 4 1 1 1 1 2 .192
LF Peraza 2 1 1 2 1 1 .231
BOS IP H R ER BB SO P-S ERA TOR IP H R ER BB SO P-S ERA
Triggs 3.0 3 1 1 2 4 63-36 9.95 Ray 4.0 6 4 4 3 5 83-48 7.51
Hall 1.2 4 6 6 4 2 54-25 19.89 Font 1.1 2 1 1 2 1 31-16 8.78
Leyer 0.1 4 3 3 1 0 35-20 13.50 Hatch 1.2 0 0 0 1 2 32-18 1.33
Springs 1.0 1 0 0 2 1 29-16 7.36 Cole, A 0.2 2 3 3 1 0 28-19 2.45
Brice 1.0 2 0 0 0 1 17-11 6.38 Borucki 0.1 0 0 0 0 0 5-3 2.53
Brasier 1.0 1 0 0 0 2 19-12 4.32 Dolis 1.0 0 0 0 0 2 14-10 1.86
Walden 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 8-8 10.13

Scoring Plays

Inning Event Score
B1 Kevin Plawecki homers (1) on a line drive to center field. Jonathan Arauz scores. Xander Bogaerts scores. 3-0
T3 Caleb Joseph homers (1) on a fly ball to left center field. 3-1
B4 Bobby Dalbec homers (3) on a fly ball to right center field. 4-1
T5 Lourdes Gurriel Jr. singles on a line drive to center fielder Jackie Bradley Jr. Vladimir Guerrero Jr. scores. Rowdy Tellez to 3rd. Travis Shaw to 2nd. 4-2
T5 Joe Panik singles on a line drive to right fielder J. D. Martinez. Rowdy Tellez scores. Travis Shaw scores. Lourdes Gurriel Jr. to 3rd. 4-4
T5 Derek Fisher singles on a soft ground ball to pitcher Matt Hall. Lourdes Gurriel Jr. scores. Joe Panik to 2nd. 4-5
T5 Cavan Biggio doubles (10) on a fly ball to left fielder Jose Peraza. Joe Panik scores. Derek Fisher scores. 4-7
T6 Rowdy Tellez homers (8) on a line drive to center field. 4-8
T6 Caleb Joseph grounds into a force out, second baseman Jonathan Arauz to shortstop Xander Bogaerts. Travis Shaw scores. Lourdes Gurriel Jr. to 3rd. Joe Panik out at 2nd. Caleb Joseph to 1st. 4-9
T6 Derek Fisher singles on a sharp line drive to right fielder J. D. Martinez. Lourdes Gurriel Jr. scores. Caleb Joseph to 2nd. 4-10
B6 Jose Peraza out on a sacrifice fly to center fielder Cavan Biggio. Michael Chavis scores. 5-10
B8 Jose Peraza homers (1) on a fly ball to left center field. 6-10
B8 Xander Bogaerts homers (10) on a fly ball to center field. Jonathan Arauz scores. 8-10

Highlights

Description Length HD
Andrew Triggs whiffs Cavan Biggio in the 1st inning 0:25 HD
Kevin Plawecki drills a 3-run home run to center 0:51 HD
Robbie Ray strikes out Christian Vázquez 0:22 HD
Andrew Triggs strikes the side in the top of the 1st 0:28 HD
Caleb Joseph smacks a solo home run to left-center 0:49 HD
Yairo Muñoz gets injured running down the line 1:14 HD
Red Sox mascot Wally irons his clothes for the week 0:13 HD
Bobby Dalbec launches a solo home run to right field 0:47 HD
Lourdes Gurriel Jr. drills an RBI single into center 0:36 HD
Joe Panik drives in two runs with a single 0:43 HD
Derek Fisher singles on a ground ball to the pitcher 0:34 HD
Cavan Biggio doubles on a fly ball to left field 0:57 HD
Rowdy Tellez drills a solo home run to center 0:50 HD
Travis Shaw scores on Caleb Joseph's groundout 0:36 HD
Derek Fisher drives in two runs with a single 0:32 HD
José Peraza gets out on a sacrifice fly to center 0:29 HD
Robbie Ray strikes out 5 batters in 4 innings played 0:40 HD
José Peraza drills a solo home run to Green Monster 0:49 HD
Bogaerts launches a two-run homer to center 0:52 HD
Rafael Dolis' last out 0:06 HD

Decisions

Winning Pitcher Losing Pitcher Save
Hatch (3-1, 1.33) Hall (0-2, 19.89) Dolis (2, 1.86)
Game ended at 6:04 PM.
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2020.09.06 16:35 RedSoxGameday Game Thread: 9/6 Blue Jays (21-18) @ Red Sox (14-27) 1:35 PM

First Pitch: 1:35 PM at Fenway Park
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Blue Jays Robbie Ray (1-4, 7.34 ERA) SNET SN590
Red Sox Andrew Triggs (0-2, 16.20 ERA) NESN WEEI, WCCM 1490 (ES)
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Line Score - Game Over

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E
TOR 0 0 1 0 6 3 0 0 0 10 15 1
BOS 3 0 0 1 0 1 0 3 0 8 10 0

Box Score

BOS Pos AB R H RBI BB SO BA
RF Muñoz 1 0 1 0 0 0 .476
2B Araúz 1 2 0 0 3 1 .240
C Vázquez 5 0 0 0 0 2 .256
SS Bogaerts 5 2 2 2 0 0 .281
RF Martinez, J 5 0 0 0 0 1 .227
C Plawecki 3 1 2 3 0 1 .354
P Brasier 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
PH Verdugo 1 0 0 0 0 0 .311
P Walden 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
1B Chavis 3 1 2 0 2 0 .234
CF Bradley Jr. 5 0 1 0 0 2 .254
3B Dalbec 4 1 1 1 1 2 .192
LF Peraza 2 1 1 2 1 1 .231
TOR Pos AB R H RBI BB SO BA
CF Biggio 5 0 1 2 1 2 .252
SS Villar 3 0 1 0 3 1 .250
1B Guerrero Jr. 5 1 0 0 1 3 .250
DH Tellez 6 2 3 1 0 1 .295
3B Shaw, T 5 2 1 0 1 0 .239
LF Gurriel Jr. 6 2 4 1 0 0 .290
2B Panik 3 1 2 2 2 0 .270
C Joseph 5 1 1 2 0 1 .200
C Jansen, D 0 0 0 0 0 0 .148
RF Fisher 4 1 2 2 1 2 .250
BOS IP H R ER BB SO P-S ERA
Triggs 3.0 3 1 1 2 4 63-36 9.95
Hall 1.2 4 6 6 4 2 54-25 19.89
Leyer 0.1 4 3 3 1 0 35-20 13.50
Springs 1.0 1 0 0 2 1 29-16 7.36
Brice 1.0 2 0 0 0 1 17-11 6.38
Brasier 1.0 1 0 0 0 2 19-12 4.32
Walden 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 8-8 10.13
TOR IP H R ER BB SO P-S ERA
Ray 4.0 6 4 4 3 5 83-48 7.51
Font 1.1 2 1 1 2 1 31-16 8.78
Hatch 1.2 0 0 0 1 2 32-18 1.33
Cole, A 0.2 2 3 3 1 0 28-19 2.45
Borucki 0.1 0 0 0 0 0 5-3 2.53
Dolis 1.0 0 0 0 0 2 14-10 1.86

Scoring Plays

Inning Event Score
B1 Kevin Plawecki homers (1) on a line drive to center field. Jonathan Arauz scores. Xander Bogaerts scores. 3-0
T3 Caleb Joseph homers (1) on a fly ball to left center field. 3-1
B4 Bobby Dalbec homers (3) on a fly ball to right center field. 4-1
T5 Lourdes Gurriel Jr. singles on a line drive to center fielder Jackie Bradley Jr. Vladimir Guerrero Jr. scores. Rowdy Tellez to 3rd. Travis Shaw to 2nd. 4-2
T5 Joe Panik singles on a line drive to right fielder J. D. Martinez. Rowdy Tellez scores. Travis Shaw scores. Lourdes Gurriel Jr. to 3rd. 4-4
T5 Derek Fisher singles on a soft ground ball to pitcher Matt Hall. Lourdes Gurriel Jr. scores. Joe Panik to 2nd. 4-5
T5 Cavan Biggio doubles (10) on a fly ball to left fielder Jose Peraza. Joe Panik scores. Derek Fisher scores. 4-7
T6 Rowdy Tellez homers (8) on a line drive to center field. 4-8
T6 Caleb Joseph grounds into a force out, second baseman Jonathan Arauz to shortstop Xander Bogaerts. Travis Shaw scores. Lourdes Gurriel Jr. to 3rd. Joe Panik out at 2nd. Caleb Joseph to 1st. 4-9
T6 Derek Fisher singles on a sharp line drive to right fielder J. D. Martinez. Lourdes Gurriel Jr. scores. Caleb Joseph to 2nd. 4-10
B6 Jose Peraza out on a sacrifice fly to center fielder Cavan Biggio. Michael Chavis scores. 5-10
B8 Jose Peraza homers (1) on a fly ball to left center field. 6-10
B8 Xander Bogaerts homers (10) on a fly ball to center field. Jonathan Arauz scores. 8-10

Highlights

Description Length HD
Andrew Triggs whiffs Cavan Biggio in the 1st inning 0:25 HD
Kevin Plawecki drills a 3-run home run to center 0:51 HD
Robbie Ray strikes out Christian Vázquez 0:22 HD
Andrew Triggs strikes the side in the top of the 1st 0:28 HD
Caleb Joseph smacks a solo home run to left-center 0:49 HD
Yairo Muñoz gets injured running down the line 1:14 HD
Red Sox mascot Wally irons his clothes for the week 0:13 HD
Bobby Dalbec launches a solo home run to right field 0:47 HD
Lourdes Gurriel Jr. drills an RBI single into center 0:36 HD
Joe Panik drives in two runs with a single 0:43 HD
Derek Fisher singles on a ground ball to the pitcher 0:34 HD
Cavan Biggio doubles on a fly ball to left field 0:57 HD
Rowdy Tellez drills a solo home run to center 0:50 HD
Travis Shaw scores on Caleb Joseph's groundout 0:36 HD
Derek Fisher drives in two runs with a single 0:32 HD
José Peraza gets out on a sacrifice fly to center 0:29 HD
Robbie Ray strikes out 5 batters in 4 innings played 0:40 HD
José Peraza drills a solo home run to Green Monster 0:49 HD
Bogaerts launches a two-run homer to center 0:52 HD
Rafael Dolis' last out 0:06 HD

Decisions

Winning Pitcher Losing Pitcher Save
Hatch (3-1, 1.33) Hall (0-2, 19.89) Dolis (2, 1.86)
Game ended at 6:04 PM.

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2020.09.05 22:30 BlueJaysBaseball Game Thread: September 5 - Toronto Blue Jays (21-17) @ Boston Red Sox (13-27) - 7:30 PM

Blue Jays (21-17) @ Red Sox (13-27)

First Pitch: 7:30 PM at Fenway Park
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Blue Jays Chase Anderson (0-0, 3.20 ERA) SNET SN590
Red Sox Ryan Weber (0-2, 5.79 ERA) NESN WEEI, WCCM 1490 (ES)
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Line Score - Game Over

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E
TOR 0 1 0 1 0 3 3 0 0 8 16 1
BOS 0 4 0 2 0 0 1 0 2 9 15 2

Box Score

BOS AB R H RBI BB SO BA TOR AB R H RBI BB SO BA
RF Verdugo 5 1 2 0 0 1 .313 SS Villar 6 0 1 0 0 1 .248
3B Devers 5 1 2 3 0 1 .252 CF Grichuk 6 1 2 0 0 1 .280
SS Bogaerts 5 1 1 1 0 0 .277 DH Tellez 5 2 3 0 1 0 .283
DH Martinez, J 3 1 2 1 2 0 .235 RF Hernández, T 5 3 3 2 0 1 .308
PR Peraza 0 0 0 0 0 0 .226 3B Shaw, T 5 0 2 1 0 1 .241
C Vázquez 5 2 3 0 0 1 .266 1B Guerrero Jr. 3 2 1 3 2 1 .259
LF Muñoz 5 0 1 1 0 1 .450 2B Panik 5 0 2 1 0 0 .254
CF Bradley Jr. 3 1 1 2 1 0 .256 C Jansen, D 3 0 0 0 0 0 .148
2B Chavis 4 0 1 0 0 1 .220 PH Biggio 0 0 0 0 1 0 .253
1B Dalbec 4 2 2 1 0 1 .182 C Joseph 0 0 0 0 1 0 .000
LF Fisher 1 0 1 0 1 0 .200
LF Gurriel Jr. 3 0 1 1 0 1 .273
BOS IP H R ER BB SO P-S ERA TOR IP H R ER BB SO P-S ERA
Weber 5.0 5 2 2 1 2 66-40 5.45 Anderson, Ch 4.0 9 6 6 1 3 79-50 4.94
Taylor, J 1.0 3 3 3 1 0 27-16 9.82 Yamaguchi 3.0 4 1 1 0 1 45-31 3.93
Valdez, P 0.2 4 3 3 2 0 23-10 3.18 Kay 1.0 1 0 0 1 2 24-15 2.60
Stock 0.1 1 0 0 0 0 7-5 5.87 Bass 0.1 1 2 1 1 0 18-10 2.79
Kickham 2.0 3 0 0 2 4 44-27 5.40

Scoring Plays

Inning Event Score
T2 Teoscar Hernandez homers (14) on a fly ball to center field. 0-1
B2 J.D. Martinez homers (4) on a fly ball to center field. 1-1
B2 Jackie Bradley Jr. homers (5) on a line drive to right center field. Christian Vazquez scores. 3-1
B2 Bobby Dalbec homers (2) on a line drive to left field. 4-1
T4 Travis Shaw doubles (5) on a sharp line drive to right fielder Alex Verdugo. Rowdy Tellez scores. 4-2
B4 Rafael Devers doubles (10) on a ground ball to right fielder Teoscar Hernandez. Bobby Dalbec scores. Alex Verdugo scores. 6-2
T6 Vladimir Guerrero Jr. homers (6) on a fly ball to left center field. Rowdy Tellez scores. Teoscar Hernandez scores. 6-5
T7 Teoscar Hernandez singles on a line drive to left fielder Yairo Munoz. Randal Grichuk scores. Rowdy Tellez out at 3rd on the throw, left fielder Yairo Munoz to third baseman Rafael Devers. Teoscar Hernandez to 2nd. 6-6
T7 Joe Panik doubles (4) on a sharp line drive to right fielder Alex Verdugo. Teoscar Hernandez scores. Vladimir Guerrero Jr. to 3rd. 6-7
T7 Lourdes Gurriel Jr. singles on a sharp ground ball to second baseman Michael Chavis. Vladimir Guerrero Jr. scores. Joe Panik to 3rd. Cavan Biggio to 2nd. 6-8
B7 Rafael Devers homers (7) on a fly ball to right center field. 7-8
B9 Xander Bogaerts homers (9) on a fly ball to center field. 8-8
B9 Yairo Munoz reaches on a fielder's choice, fielded by third baseman Travis Shaw. Christian Vazquez scores. 9-8

Highlights

Description Length HD
Teoscar Hernández opens the scoring with a solo homer 0:49 HD
J.D. Martinez's solo home run ties the game in 2nd 0:45 HD
Jackie Bradley Jr.'s two-run homer in the 2nd 0:45 HD
Bobby Dalbec hits Red Sox's third home run in the 2nd 0:49 HD
Travis Shaw rips a RBI double in the 4th 0:49 HD
Teoscar Hernández belts 442-ft. homer at 110.9 mph 0:34 HD
Rafael Devers rips a two-run double in the 4th 0:46 HD
Jackie Bradley Jr. nabs Villar at second, call upheld 0:59 HD
Vladimir Guerrero Jr. hits a three-run homer in 6th 0:52 HD
Teoscar Hernández's RBI single ties the game 0:57 HD
Joe Panik's RBI double puts the Blue Jays in the lead 0:46 HD
Robert Stock In play, out(s) to Jonathan Villar 0:10 HD
Rafael Devers slugs a solo home run in the 7th 0:49 HD
Lourdes Gurriel Jr. single adds another run in 7th 0:41 HD
Xander Bogaerts' solo homer 0:32 HD
Anthony Bass In play, run(s) to Yairo Munoz 0:16 HD

Decisions

Winning Pitcher Losing Pitcher Save
Kickham (1-0, 5.40) Bass (2-3, 2.79)
Game ended at 11:18 PM.
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2020.09.05 22:30 RedSoxGameday Game Thread: 9/5 Blue Jays (21-17) @ Red Sox (13-27) 7:30 PM

First Pitch: 7:30 PM at Fenway Park
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Blue Jays Chase Anderson (0-0, 3.20 ERA) SNET SN590
Red Sox Ryan Weber (0-2, 5.79 ERA) NESN WEEI, WCCM 1490 (ES)
Game Preview
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Line Score - Game Over

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E
TOR 0 1 0 1 0 3 3 0 0 8 16 1
BOS 0 4 0 2 0 0 1 0 2 9 15 2

Box Score

BOS Pos AB R H RBI BB SO BA
RF Verdugo 5 1 2 0 0 1 .313
3B Devers 5 1 2 3 0 1 .252
SS Bogaerts 5 1 1 1 0 0 .277
DH Martinez, J 3 1 2 1 2 0 .235
PR Peraza 0 0 0 0 0 0 .226
C Vázquez 5 2 3 0 0 1 .266
LF Muñoz 5 0 1 1 0 1 .450
CF Bradley Jr. 3 1 1 2 1 0 .256
2B Chavis 4 0 1 0 0 1 .220
1B Dalbec 4 2 2 1 0 1 .182
TOR Pos AB R H RBI BB SO BA
SS Villar 6 0 1 0 0 1 .248
CF Grichuk 6 1 2 0 0 1 .280
DH Tellez 5 2 3 0 1 0 .283
RF Hernández, T 5 3 3 2 0 1 .308
3B Shaw, T 5 0 2 1 0 1 .241
1B Guerrero Jr. 3 2 1 3 2 1 .259
2B Panik 5 0 2 1 0 0 .254
C Jansen, D 3 0 0 0 0 0 .148
PH Biggio 0 0 0 0 1 0 .253
C Joseph 0 0 0 0 1 0 .000
LF Fisher 1 0 1 0 1 0 .200
LF Gurriel Jr. 3 0 1 1 0 1 .273
BOS IP H R ER BB SO P-S ERA
Weber 5.0 5 2 2 1 2 66-40 5.45
Taylor, J 1.0 3 3 3 1 0 27-16 9.82
Valdez, P 0.2 4 3 3 2 0 23-10 3.18
Stock 0.1 1 0 0 0 0 7-5 5.87
Kickham 2.0 3 0 0 2 4 44-27 5.40
TOR IP H R ER BB SO P-S ERA
Anderson, Ch 4.0 9 6 6 1 3 79-50 4.94
Yamaguchi 3.0 4 1 1 0 1 45-31 3.93
Kay 1.0 1 0 0 1 2 24-15 2.60
Bass 0.1 1 2 1 1 0 18-10 2.79

Scoring Plays

Inning Event Score
T2 Teoscar Hernandez homers (14) on a fly ball to center field. 0-1
B2 J.D. Martinez homers (4) on a fly ball to center field. 1-1
B2 Jackie Bradley Jr. homers (5) on a line drive to right center field. Christian Vazquez scores. 3-1
B2 Bobby Dalbec homers (2) on a line drive to left field. 4-1
T4 Travis Shaw doubles (5) on a sharp line drive to right fielder Alex Verdugo. Rowdy Tellez scores. 4-2
B4 Rafael Devers doubles (10) on a ground ball to right fielder Teoscar Hernandez. Bobby Dalbec scores. Alex Verdugo scores. 6-2
T6 Vladimir Guerrero Jr. homers (6) on a fly ball to left center field. Rowdy Tellez scores. Teoscar Hernandez scores. 6-5
T7 Teoscar Hernandez singles on a line drive to left fielder Yairo Munoz. Randal Grichuk scores. Rowdy Tellez out at 3rd on the throw, left fielder Yairo Munoz to third baseman Rafael Devers. Teoscar Hernandez to 2nd. 6-6
T7 Joe Panik doubles (4) on a sharp line drive to right fielder Alex Verdugo. Teoscar Hernandez scores. Vladimir Guerrero Jr. to 3rd. 6-7
T7 Lourdes Gurriel Jr. singles on a sharp ground ball to second baseman Michael Chavis. Vladimir Guerrero Jr. scores. Joe Panik to 3rd. Cavan Biggio to 2nd. 6-8
B7 Rafael Devers homers (7) on a fly ball to right center field. 7-8
B9 Xander Bogaerts homers (9) on a fly ball to center field. 8-8
B9 Yairo Munoz reaches on a fielder's choice, fielded by third baseman Travis Shaw. Christian Vazquez scores. 9-8

Highlights

Description Length HD
Teoscar Hernández opens the scoring with a solo homer 0:49 HD
J.D. Martinez's solo home run ties the game in 2nd 0:45 HD
Jackie Bradley Jr.'s two-run homer in the 2nd 0:45 HD
Bobby Dalbec hits Red Sox's third home run in the 2nd 0:49 HD
Travis Shaw rips a RBI double in the 4th 0:49 HD
Teoscar Hernández belts 442-ft. homer at 110.9 mph 0:34 HD
Rafael Devers rips a two-run double in the 4th 0:46 HD
Jackie Bradley Jr. nabs Villar at second, call upheld 0:59 HD
Vladimir Guerrero Jr. hits a three-run homer in 6th 0:52 HD
Teoscar Hernández's RBI single ties the game 0:57 HD
Joe Panik's RBI double puts the Blue Jays in the lead 0:46 HD
Robert Stock In play, out(s) to Jonathan Villar 0:10 HD
Rafael Devers slugs a solo home run in the 7th 0:49 HD
Lourdes Gurriel Jr. single adds another run in 7th 0:41 HD
Xander Bogaerts' solo homer 0:32 HD
Anthony Bass In play, run(s) to Yairo Munoz 0:16 HD

Decisions

Winning Pitcher Losing Pitcher Save
Kickham (1-0, 5.40) Bass (2-3, 2.79)
Game ended at 11:18 PM.

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2020.09.04 10:20 KagsTheOneAndOnly Jimmy Butler's strengths and weaknesses

(Repost, edited some parts!)
Definitions and Terms I'll be using:
FULL LIST + EXPLANATIONS ON IMGUR: per 75, TS%, rTS%, ORTG, rORTG, PnR, PPP, AST%, Backpicks Passer Rating, Box Creation, PIPM, BPM, RAPTOR, RPM.
Name:

Jimmy Butler "Jimmy G. Buckets"

In a nutshell: 30 y/o, Miami Heat SF/PF, 6-7, 230lb, All-NBA Candidate
2020 regular-season stats: 19.9/6.7/6.0/1.8/0.6 with 2.2 TOVs on 45.5/24.4/83.4 shooting splits (58.5 TS%), 58 games played
2020 postseason stats: 22.0/4.7/4.0/2.5/0.8 with 3.3 TOVs on 46.8/54.5/85.7 shooting splits (63.0 TS%), 6 games played
Nerd stats: 25.1% Usage, +6.4 On/Off, +3.54 PIPM (16th) , +6.1 RAPTOR (10th) , +4.1 BPM (Backpicks) (13th) , +5.4 BPM (BBRef) (9th) , +3.08 RPM (23rd) , +2.21 Luck-Adjusted RAPM (12th)

🟢 The Good:

  • 🟢 Efficient volume-scorer; "Jimmy G. Buckets, The 'G' stands for 'Gets'": 21.6 Points/75 on 58.5 TS% (+2.0 rTS%) in the regular-season, 23.8 Points/75 on 63.0 TS% (+5.7 rTS%) in the playoffs thus far
Butler finished the regular-season as Miami's leading scorer. He's highly resourceful at racking up points, utilising strength, speed, craft, handles, and deft touch in the paint to compensate for a jumper that deserts him on occasion. Per Basketball Index, Butler is in the 95th-percentile at off-ball movement and finishing among wings, and in the 93rd percentile for post-scoring.
Jimmy Buckets's scoring-breakdown by zone in the 2019-20 regular-season: (per stats.nba.com)
    • 38% of his shot attempts come in the restricted area, where he's finishing at an above-average rate for forwards (64 FG%)
    • 24% of his shot attempts come in the non-restricted area of the paint (a.k.a. "floater range"), where he's also scoring at above-average rate (43.4 FG%)
    • 22% of his shot attempts come from the midrange, where he's unfortunately shot at the 2nd-worst rate in the league (31.7 FG%)
    • 16% of his shot attempts come from 3, where he's shooting at the worst rate in the league (24.8 FG%)
Jimmy uses his strength/speed/footwork combination to bulldoze or finesse his way to the rim and finish through contact, capable of athletic finishes through multiple defenders. When in the post/paint, Jimmy utilises hesitation moves and jab steps effectively, has an effective handle, excellent at keeping defenders on his hips before exploding forward and finishing either at the rim or a bit further out, with a nice little floater off two feet to finish over shotblockers. Butler is also highly physical, using his body to create space - he dips his shoulders on drives, throwing his momentum into his defender's body; he doesn't lack craft, however, using ball fakes and spins a lot (he even throws a spin-fake in there sometimes!).
To quote the great Evin Gualberto:
(Butler's) foundation is his phenomenal footwork. He’s got the poise and patience to pivot and pump, and twist, and then rip through and power to the paint. He can use his force or finish with finesse; he’ll go any way he needs in order to get to the basket, whether that’s under the defender, over, around, or even through them. He’s got the ability to hit from distance, his post game is pretty with the pristine pivoting he does, but he can also go full bully ball. Speaking of, he’s an absolute bull when he wants to get to the rim. He can score any kind of way, so as a defense, all you have to do is make him take the toughest shot possible…the only problem is, yeah, he can make those with worryingly regularity as well. He is Jimmy G Buckets after all, the G stands for gets.
In previous years, Jimmy has been a decent 3-point-shooter (36 3P% in the previous 3 seasons, on 3.2 3PA/game) and has generally shot in the high 30s from midrange, which isn't fantastic but is still a value-add to his versatility as a scorer.
In the playoffs thus far, however, Butler has been money on his jumpshots, connecting on over half his threes (though on low volume - 1.8 3PA/game) and 42% of his midrange shots (again, low volume - 12 midrange attempts) so far.
As an overall scorer, Jimmy is:
    • A hyper-competent and -active cutter (8% of his possessions, 97th percentile efficiency)
    • Fantastic in transition (12% of his possessions, 92nd percentile efficiency)
    • A competent post-operator (7% of his possessions, 80th percentile efficiency)
    • A passable PnR finisher (36% of his possessions, 56th percentile efficiency)
    • Solid in isolation situations, likely buoyed by his very good rim-finishing (10% of his possessions, 68th percentile)
    • Below-average scoring from spot-up scenerios and handoffs
Despite his jumpshot having deserted him in the regular season, Jimmy ekes out efficient scoring options via drawing fouls and very solid rim-finishing in transition, isolation, and by cutting often and decisively. To quote Zach Lowe:
(Butler) can blend into a broader offensive system as a shoulder-checking cutter, and supersede that system when the situation requires.
Accordingly, 41% of Butler's buckets are assisted, a very solid rate for a primary ball-handler who had a non-existent jumpshot during the regular-season, that showcases his off-ball activity as a ferocious cutter.
  • 🟢 Free-throw rate that would make Shaq blush
Jimmy Butler's foul-drawing rate this season has been, to put it mildly, something of an outlier.
Butler is 29th in the NBA in Points/game (19.9), but 5th in the NBA in FTA/game (9.1), and just to emphasize how absurdly often Butler's been finding his way to the line relative to his total shot attempts, here's a fun little table comparing Butler's FTA/game and Points/Game to the league's other elite free-throw-attempters: [TABLE].
To try and add even more context, Free Throw Rate (FTr) is a very simple statistic that gives the ratio of free-throw attempts to field-goal attempts.
Just to ballpark the sort of numbers we expect from high-volume free-throw shooters: famed foul-shot-aficionado James Harden's FTr this season is 0.528, meaning that he averages 0.528 free-throw attempts for every field-goal that he takes. (The Beard's career-high was 0.592, set in 2013.) Paint-destroyer Giannis Antetokounmpo has a FTr of 0.508 this year, and low-post monster Joel Embiid has a FTr of 0.543. A pretty dominant fella who went by the name of Shaquille had a career-average FTr of 0.578, averaging an incredible 0.653 in a 5-year span from 2001 to 2005.
Now, keeping all of this in mind ... Miami Heat All-Star wing Jimmy Butler's Free-Throw Rate, in the 2019-20 season, is 0.693.
(If you're wondering, Butler has more than managed to maintain this in the playoffs too -- after 6 games, Jimmy is 2nd in the entire playoffs in Free-Throw Rate, posting a ludicrous 0.810 FTr. Small sample size, obviously, but wow.)
  • 🟢 Good playmaker
First, some numbers: 6.0 Assists/Game, 7.5 Passer Rating, 7.4 Box Creation. Miami have a fairly strong offense (+1.9 rORTG, 6th) which improves by +4.1 points with Butler on the court. Per Basketball Index, Jimmy is in the 91st percentile for playmaking among wings.
For a few seasons now, Jimmy has been a very solid passer and playmaker. Mimicking another former well-known Chicago wing who went by the name of Michael, Jimmy is a low-turnover player (career 1.5 TOV/game; this season: 2.2 TOV/Game, excellent 2.73 AST/TOV ratio). He is a decisive and relatively low-error ball-handler and shot-creator, hitting bigs and shooters well off PnDHO-action. Butler manipulates defenders with his eyes to unlock shots for teammates, and is also adept at punishing help defenders who have to react to his bruising drives to the rim by kicking to shooters and dropping it off to cutters. He's developed especially good chemistry with Bam (25% of Butler's 6.0 AST/game go to Adebayo), Duncan Robinson (who receives 17% of Butler's assists), and rookie Kendrick Nunn (18%).
Some clips of Jimmy's playmaking: (Source: stats.nba.com)
  • 🟢 Excellent defender
Jimmy at his peak is easily an all-league defensive talent, with tremendous instincts and effort on D, generally remaining incredibly active on that end both on- and off-the-ball. Miami's 12th-ranked defense (-1.0 rDRTG) improves by 1.0 points with Butler on the floor. Butler’s defensive awareness is top-tier, as is his lateral quickness - he's comfortable chasing speedy guards around the court; Jimmy is also uber-switchable for his size, guarding positions 1-4 at least 18% of the time each, and guarding centers for 10% of his possessions, when switched onto bigs in Miami small-ball lineups. Jimmy is in the 82nd percentile of post defenders, fantastic given his position, and players shoot a whopping 4.4% worse on 3s when Butler's the closest defender, demonstrating his defensive engagement and closeout-speed. Butler is a very physical defender as well, often "bodying-up" larger players the post, Marcus Smart-style, crowding their space and making scoring uncomfortable.
To again quote Evin:
(Butler's) ability to stand up powerful post-up players, coupled with the quickness to stick with the shiftiest wings, and the instincts and IQ to know when to stay down and when to jump to contest, make him a dynamite defender... (he) frustrates opponents with foot speed and anticipating with active hands, he’ll blow up pick and rolls, or send his man one way only to remarkably beat him to that same spot. You’ll see jumping in passing lanes, but you’ll also just see him holding his ground a lot; in one, he even holds Melo off with one arm while grabbing the rebound with the other. His intelligence shines through when he avoids getting screened and when he forced ball handlers into help.
Butler is quite disruptive off-ball (7th in Deflections/Game, 7th in Steals/Game, 13th in Steal-%, 14th in loose-balls recovered/game), often jumping passing lanes or making crisp rotations to cut off offensive angles. He's also a plus-rebounder for his position, snagging almost seven boards a game; the Heat's defensive-rebound-% spikes by almost 3 percentage points with Butler on the court. He's generally very engaged on D, providing hard closeouts to shooters (players shoot almost 4.3% worse from 3 when Jimmy is the closest defender) and providing help when the primary Miami defender is beat. Along with Adebayo, Butler is one of the main reasons Miami's defense is still better than league-average even though many of their lineups prioritise shooting over defense (see: Robinson, Herro, Leonard, Olynyk).
Most defensive metrics (taken with a spoonful or two of salt, of course) think of Butler as a very solid positive on defense (+1.0 to +2.0); Basketball Index has Jimmy as the 4th-best Wing Stopper at Passing Lane Defense, and ranks him in the 90th percentile of perimeter defenders in the league overall. It also has him in the 71st percentile as a defensive rebounder, and in the 47th percentile as an interior defender.
Here are some clips of Jimmy's defense:

🔴 The Not-As-Good:

  • 🔴 Inconsistent jumpshot
Butler suffered the 7th-biggest drop in the league in perimeter shooting grade from last year to this year (per Basketball Index). Famously, he was the least efficient jump-shooter in the league by eFG% in the regular-season.
As mentioned, though, his jumpshot has been very respectable in the bubble for now, albeit on very low volume.
  • 🔴 Room for improvement in some areas of scoring
Namely: spot-up shooting, handoffs, and PnR scoring, all likely related to his regular-season shooting woes.
  • 🔴 Some areas of playmaking
From my very limited film study (~15 games), Jimmy doesn't seem to try advanced passes often (though that might be a Miami Heat scheme-related issue), rarely slingshoting cross-court skip-passes to corner shooters like LeBron/Luka/Trae do (please correct me if I'm wrong, Heat fans!). He can occasionally miss cutters while hunting for the kickout pass for 3. Butler's delivery can sometimes be a bit wild or inaccurate as well.
  • 🔴 Some areas of defense
Jimmy's activity does dial down on occasion. He also lacks size/strength/length to defend larger wings consistently, and his gambles can blow up on him at times too when he's springing passing lanes, with the player he's supposed to be guarding getting an open 3 or cutting to the rim as Butler isn't there to recover in time. Jimmy is also vulnerable to size at the rim - despite posting one of the best block rates in the league for a guard/forward, these are mostly on smaller players and he doesn't seem to influence shot attempts at the rim too much in general - opponents shoot almost 6% better within 6 feet of the hoop when Butler's the closest defender. It also appears that Butler's pick-and-roll defense may have some room for improvement as well (46th percentile in defending PnR ball-handlers), he may have trouble negotiating man and ball occasionally.
  • 🔴 A few regular-season clutch woes
Jimmy shot 45.1 TS% in the clutch this season, with a -10.4 individual clutch net rating, while Miami as a team were 24th in clutch net rating.
However, the team still broke even in the wins column (18-18) and had a 14-10 clutch record when Butler played.
In addition, I say "regular-season" for a reason (keep in mind the usual "low sample size" asterisk, of course): Miami have been the 4th-best clutch team in the playoffs by net rating, winning all 3 of their close games so far, while Jimmy himself is sporting a blistering hot 88.7 clutch TS% and +29.8 clutch net rating at the moment, with an absolutely scorching +137.5 clutch offensive rating.
  • 🔴 Few durability questions
Jimmy G. Buckets (the 'G.' stands for 'Gets') has played >67 games only twice in his 9-year career.
HOWEVER, he's been very available for the Heat this season, missing 'only' 11 games.
Indeed, Butler played heavy minutes in his last playoff run for Philadelphia (38mpg in 2nd round) as well, performing admirably in a razor-close loss to the eventual champion Raptors in the 2nd round (22/7/6 on 56ts%, +1.0rTS%, vs Toronto), very nearly pulling through a Sixers team otherwise starved of late-game offensive-creation into the Conference Finals.

That's it for today, thanks for reading!

(P.S. Here's Butler's playoff career-high 40-point performance against Milwaukee in Game 1 for your viewing pleasure: LINK.)
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2020.09.03 22:30 BlueJaysBaseball Game Thread: September 3 - Toronto Blue Jays (19-16) @ Boston Red Sox (12-25) - 7:30 PM

Blue Jays (19-16) @ Red Sox (12-25)

First Pitch: 7:30 PM at Fenway Park
Pitcher TV Radio
Blue Jays Taijuan Walker (3-2, 3.27 ERA) SNET SN590
Red Sox Martin Perez (2-4, 4.58 ERA) NESN WEEI, WCCM 1490 (ES)
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Line Score - Game Over

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 R H E
TOR 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 4 6 7 0
BOS 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 2 9 1

Box Score

BOS AB R H RBI BB SO BA TOR AB R H RBI BB SO BA
RF Verdugo 5 0 1 0 0 1 .311 2B Biggio 3 2 1 0 2 0 .254
3B Devers 4 1 1 0 1 0 .257 CF Grichuk 4 0 0 0 1 1 .269
SS Bogaerts 5 0 1 0 0 1 .288 DH Hernández, T 4 2 2 3 1 1 .311
DH Martinez, J 5 0 3 0 0 1 .233 1B Guerrero Jr. 4 0 0 0 1 1 .259
C Vázquez 3 0 0 0 2 2 .248 LF Gurriel Jr. 5 1 2 1 0 0 .274
CF Bradley Jr. 4 1 1 2 1 1 .250 SS Villar 4 0 0 0 1 1 .250
1B Chavis 5 0 1 0 0 2 .198 3B Panik 4 0 2 1 1 1 .234
1B Dalbec 3 0 0 0 1 2 .133 C Jansen, D 2 0 0 0 0 2 .147
2B Lin 0 0 0 0 0 0 .148 PH Tellez 0 0 0 0 0 0 .247
LF Muñoz 4 0 1 0 0 1 .250 C McGuire 2 0 0 0 0 1 .077
SS Espinal, Sa 2 0 0 0 0 1 .222
3B Shaw, T 2 0 0 0 0 2 .208
RF Fisher 0 1 0 0 0 0 .176
BOS IP H R ER BB SO P-S ERA TOR IP H R ER BB SO P-S ERA
Pérez, M 6.2 3 1 1 3 5 96-54 4.07 Walker, T 5.2 6 2 2 1 4 81-50 3.26
Brice 0.1 1 1 1 1 1 16-7 6.75 Kay 1.0 2 0 0 1 2 19-13 2.76
Brasier 1.0 0 0 0 0 1 8-6 4.60 Hatch 1.1 1 0 0 1 1 26-16 1.45
Barnes 1.0 1 0 0 0 3 14-11 4.80 Borucki 0.2 0 0 0 1 1 17-10 2.61
Valdez, P 1.0 2 4 3 3 1 34-16 2.05 Dolis 1.1 0 0 0 1 3 25-17 1.96

Scoring Plays

Inning Event Score
B2 Jackie Bradley Jr. homers (4) on a line drive to right center field. 1-0
B6 Jackie Bradley Jr. walks. Rafael Devers scores. J.D. Martinez to 3rd. Christian Vazquez to 2nd. 2-0
T7 Joe Panik singles on a ground ball to center fielder Jackie Bradley Jr. Teoscar Hernandez scores. Lourdes Gurriel Jr. to 2nd. 2-1
T8 Teoscar Hernandez strikes out swinging. 2-2
T10 Teoscar Hernandez homers (13) on a line drive to right center field. Derek Fisher scores. Cavan Biggio scores. 2-5
T10 Lourdes Gurriel Jr. homers (6) on a fly ball to left field. 2-6

Highlights

Description Length HD
Bradley Jr. starts up the scoring with a solo jack 0:43 HD
Taijuan Walker fans Bobby Dalbec to wrap up the 2nd 0:08 HD
Santiago Espinal ignites a double play up the middle 0:20 HD
Michael Chavis capitalizes on a base running error 0:30 HD
Danny Jansen presented as Clemente Award nominee 0:31 HD
Jackie Bradley Jr. walks in a run in the 6th inning 0:08 HD
Teoscar Hernández shatters Martín Pérez's no-hit bid 0:35 HD
Joe Panik puts the Blue Jays on the board in the 7th 0:19 HD
Biggio hustles home on a wild pitch to tie it at 2 0:20 HD
Rafael Dolis squeezes out of a jam in the 9th 0:23 HD
Hernández hammers a huge three-run jack in extras 0:36 HD
Lourdes Gurriel Jr. sends a towering homer to left 0:11 HD

Decisions

Winning Pitcher Losing Pitcher Save
Dolis (2-1, 1.96) Valdez, P (1-1, 2.05)
Game ended at 11:36 PM.
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2020.09.03 22:30 RedSoxGameday Game Thread: 9/3 Blue Jays (19-16) @ Red Sox (12-25) 7:30 PM

First Pitch: 7:30 PM at Fenway Park
Pitcher TV Radio
Blue Jays Taijuan Walker (3-2, 3.27 ERA) SNET SN590
Red Sox Martin Perez (2-4, 4.58 ERA) NESN WEEI, WCCM 1490 (ES)
Game Preview
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Line Score - Game Over

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 R H E
TOR 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 4 6 7 0
BOS 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 2 9 1

Box Score

BOS Pos AB R H RBI BB SO BA
RF Verdugo 5 0 1 0 0 1 .311
3B Devers 4 1 1 0 1 0 .257
SS Bogaerts 5 0 1 0 0 1 .288
DH Martinez, J 5 0 3 0 0 1 .233
C Vázquez 3 0 0 0 2 2 .248
CF Bradley Jr. 4 1 1 2 1 1 .250
1B Chavis 5 0 1 0 0 2 .198
1B Dalbec 3 0 0 0 1 2 .133
2B Lin 0 0 0 0 0 0 .148
LF Muñoz 4 0 1 0 0 1 .250
TOR Pos AB R H RBI BB SO BA
2B Biggio 3 2 1 0 2 0 .254
CF Grichuk 4 0 0 0 1 1 .269
DH Hernández, T 4 2 2 3 1 1 .311
1B Guerrero Jr. 4 0 0 0 1 1 .259
LF Gurriel Jr. 5 1 2 1 0 0 .274
SS Villar 4 0 0 0 1 1 .250
3B Panik 4 0 2 1 1 1 .234
C Jansen, D 2 0 0 0 0 2 .147
PH Tellez 0 0 0 0 0 0 .247
C McGuire 2 0 0 0 0 1 .077
SS Espinal, Sa 2 0 0 0 0 1 .222
3B Shaw, T 2 0 0 0 0 2 .208
RF Fisher 0 1 0 0 0 0 .176
BOS IP H R ER BB SO P-S ERA
Pérez, M 6.2 3 1 1 3 5 96-54 4.07
Brice 0.1 1 1 1 1 1 16-7 6.75
Brasier 1.0 0 0 0 0 1 8-6 4.60
Barnes 1.0 1 0 0 0 3 14-11 4.80
Valdez, P 1.0 2 4 3 3 1 34-16 2.05
TOR IP H R ER BB SO P-S ERA
Walker, T 5.2 6 2 2 1 4 81-50 3.26
Kay 1.0 2 0 0 1 2 19-13 2.76
Hatch 1.1 1 0 0 1 1 26-16 1.45
Borucki 0.2 0 0 0 1 1 17-10 2.61
Dolis 1.1 0 0 0 1 3 25-17 1.96

Scoring Plays

Inning Event Score
B2 Jackie Bradley Jr. homers (4) on a line drive to right center field. 1-0
B6 Jackie Bradley Jr. walks. Rafael Devers scores. J.D. Martinez to 3rd. Christian Vazquez to 2nd. 2-0
T7 Joe Panik singles on a ground ball to center fielder Jackie Bradley Jr. Teoscar Hernandez scores. Lourdes Gurriel Jr. to 2nd. 2-1
T8 Teoscar Hernandez strikes out swinging. 2-2
T10 Teoscar Hernandez homers (13) on a line drive to right center field. Derek Fisher scores. Cavan Biggio scores. 2-5
T10 Lourdes Gurriel Jr. homers (6) on a fly ball to left field. 2-6

Highlights

Description Length HD
Bradley Jr. starts up the scoring with a solo jack 0:43 HD
Taijuan Walker fans Bobby Dalbec to wrap up the 2nd 0:08 HD
Santiago Espinal ignites a double play up the middle 0:20 HD
Michael Chavis capitalizes on a base running error 0:30 HD
Danny Jansen presented as Clemente Award nominee 0:31 HD
Jackie Bradley Jr. walks in a run in the 6th inning 0:08 HD
Teoscar Hernández shatters Martín Pérez's no-hit bid 0:35 HD
Joe Panik puts the Blue Jays on the board in the 7th 0:19 HD
Biggio hustles home on a wild pitch to tie it at 2 0:20 HD
Rafael Dolis squeezes out of a jam in the 9th 0:23 HD
Hernández hammers a huge three-run jack in extras 0:36 HD
Lourdes Gurriel Jr. sends a towering homer to left 0:11 HD

Decisions

Winning Pitcher Losing Pitcher Save
Dolis (2-1, 1.96) Valdez, P (1-1, 2.05)
Game ended at 11:36 PM.

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